krispykrme

take this with grain of salt. Source M5board.

E55
0-100 km/h in 4.92
1/4 mile in 12.89 @ 173 km/h
1km in 23.8 @ 233 km/h

M5
0-100 in 4.58
1/4 mile in 12.61 @ 185 km/h
1km in 22.7 @ 246 km/h

80-120 km/h
3rd gear M5 2.77 E55 3.83
4th gear M5 4.17 E55 5.78
5th gear M5 4.82 E55 7.35

120-160 km/h
3rd gear M5 3.05 E55 4.40
4th gear M5 4.24 E55 6.21
5th gear M5 4.91 E55 7.50

saber

before I modified my E55 I ran it stock seven times on the 1/4 mile track. Never did I have a time over 12.65

corgiman

Oh this is bull**** - how can you lock an auto tranny in 3rd/4th etc. Automatics always win in these comparisons because they kick down....automatically.....

BoBcanada

WERD... Show us the article... maybe then we belive lol.... and this quatermile is complete BS, stock they Do 12.4 12.5@116 mp So i dont belive it!

E55 POWER

This is BS.

Manuel

Sleestack

Isn't the M5 a 7 speed and the E55 a 5 speed? Why would they do acceleration runs in the same gears rather than just doing straight WOT acceleration runs?

krispykrme

hey, read the disclaimer. I said "take this with a grain of salt".

I was relaying information posted today on m5board.com. Don't shoot the messenge.

JAYCL600

173KMH = 108.125MPH trap speed...is this some kind of joke...I can scan and post multiple 105-106MPH trap speeds on my own W210 E55...so the new one only has me by a few MPH ...they must be smokin' home grown, my buddy down the street BEFORE K&N drop in filters ran 118MPH@ MD International Raceway in his W211....I have always said F*** what the magazines say..the time slips will tell!!!

Belmondo

These BS numbers were posted yesterday in this thread on paage #3 and you argue in the same thread on page #6 of hte same thread. looks like the BS was posted HERE before its spread to to m5board.com and than you brought it right back here in the new thread.


Page #3 from yesterday, wacky #'s posted!

Page #6 --you are in the thread.

Belmondo

Go here and read some more of this goodness, 10-15 CL on E55 plus unpublished numbers plus M3 in the mix and a mad engineer with his calculations and so on and you just "have to accept it" or you are " immature, hot-headed and pathetic you are in accepting E60 M5 is quicker than E55." according to M5 Master with one post. The dude just registered from BMW board just to let me know.

15CL

VelocitE55

Its definetly BS. Just look at the stated 0-100kph (0-62mph) for the E55, 4.9 seconds, hahaha! The E55 is CONSERVATIVELY rated 4 tenths faster (4.5) by Mercedes and almost every magazine that has tested it has actually found the E55 to beat that by 7 tenths at 4.2 seconds. Those numbers were pulled out of someones a$$.

CynCarvin32

E55 owners cry foul with their car no longer is king.

As for me I think the M5 is a fine car (odd looking but good car). It could be quicker with the extra gear and slightly more power. Do I really give a shoot that a car is .2 faster to 60? No for I would put 1000 bucks on the M5 handing the E55 its butt on a track any day of the week. Yes I know the E55 is not a track car but a performance sedan should well perform! If the M5 rides well and still kills the E55 at the track there is no excuse for that. RS6 has a harsher ride so ok some will prefer the E55 to that but if ride is equal and or better and the M5 are more dynamic…..Then its the better car in my mind.

At the track (road course) .2-.5 in the 1/4 mile means NOTHING on the front or back straight. If you can’t get around a corner with speed power is means nothing. Pirelli says it best with "power is nothing without control."

The E55 is a good car but I will admit it here my car is not perfect. Oh well I never expected magic.

amg55

A ridiculous set of arguments/conclusions.
Take a look at the list of key factors to be considered when assessing the quality of a car:

exterior appearance
interior appearance
straight line performance/acceleration
gut level pleasure during driving experience
quarter mile time
handling/track capability
luxury features/gadgetry
exclusivity
price/value
practicality/daily driving potential
safety
reliability
resale value
image/brand
service/support of manufacturer/ownership experience

The list goes on.

Most of the above factors are purely subjective, and among the factors which are objective, no single car dominates in any car category.

Claiming one car is superior is like trying to argue that chocolate is clearly better than vanilla or strawberry. Or the best state in the US or the best hoops team in history. For you, perhaps there is a clear 'best'. For your criteria.
Your criteria won't apply to everyone.
Not for everyone. The

krispykrme

are you being moron or what, I was not arguing about the number. I was talking about the gear shift. I did not pay attention to the number in the original post. I admit that. I was discussing the gear shift pattern on the new M5. Where did i argue about the number one way or other.

Belmondo

Do not overrreact, Einstein, I stated "you argue in the same thread" not on the same topic, if you'd pull your head out of your a$$ and read the thread, you'd probably not start yet another worhtless thread with bogus/unpablished/unconfirmed numbers.

reggid

haha, i think its so funny that the e55 fans are becoming so agressive about some simple numbers that are unproven. :p You guys obviously didn't buy your car for pure straightline speed so does it matter?

As i posted in the other thread there's no point pulling out numbers where the e55 trapped at 116mph on a low to mid 12sec run. The two cars need to be tested under the same conditions. If the e55's numbers are low than the m5's may well be too. The future owners of the M5 may well beat magazine claims just as you E55 owners do.

As for the in gear tests cars whether the auto kicksdown doesn't matter, the figures apparently show that the M5 is quicker in any gear or thru the gears. The gear ratios aren't that agressive really, i think at above 200km/h the extra gear may make a bit of difference over a 6 speed but below this there's not much difference over the outgoing model in terms of mph per gear.

W210

The king is still the king, except we now have a drag queen in town. The drag queen doesn't look very attractive but sure he/she can run!

Yeah, also read an article the new body S4 beat the C55 and M3 by 5 car lengths to 1/4 mile due to the lighter body and new transmission programming, but take it with a grain of salt.

Seriously I have never read any article comparing the speed in gear between an automatic (with torque converter) and manual (with or without a clutch).

max_e55

**** ALL OF YOU EMBARASSING GUYS!!!

I CAN'T HEAR IT ANYMORE! DID YOU EVER BELIEVE THE NEW M5 COULD BE SLOWER THAN E55?

JUST THINK! THE OLD E39 M5 IS BETTER THAN THE W211 E55 AMG SO HOW COULD THE NEW M5 BE WORSE!!!!

JUST SHUT UP WITH THIS EVERYBODY!!!

W210

max_e55, is your dad trading in his W210 E55 for the new M5?

One day when you can make the decision to buy your own E55/M5, you will realize there is more to it than just getting a feel from a passenger's perspective, as the purchase is little bit more complicated than simply picking a car most popular amongst journalists. Or cars with the best numbers on paper.

Believe it or not, there is a reason why current E55 owners pick the E55 over the E39 M5. The E39 M5 may be better for you and your dad, but not for us. We have the financial means to buy the E39 M5 but declined the opportunity as we find the car inferior.

I had very high hopes on the E60 M5 which is why I forced my local dealer to accept my deposit back in 2003 so that I can be number one on the list. However, I am not convinced at this stage the M5 is a car I want. Of course, I do keep my options open leaving my money with the dealership for now.

So what is my point? My point is that E55 owners are actually very excited about the new M5, a possibility for an upgrade perhaps?

But then why all the fuss? It appears to me it is the BMW worshippers who are upset by E55 owners' indifferent attitude over the new M5 specifications. It was not easy to live in the dark ages for so long when their top M model was devastated by the dark side in acceleration runs.

When the Concept M5 was announced, the lost BMW fans immediately came to the MB forums proclaiming their lost manhood. As the official launch date approaches, M worshippers again returned to the MB community to preach and lecture others on why the M5 is better, that the king is back, blah, blah, blah.

My hats off to BMW for being so successful in molding a bunch of dedicated missionaries to work for them. It is particularly impressive as their line of cars, in my opinion, are so ugly inside and out.

E55 RUSS

All e55 owners you have to accept it .....THE NEW M5 is Now Once Again WORLD FASTEST production SEDAN!!! E55 CROWN goes back to M5.....

:v M5 is faster and no argument in that!!!

Just face it guys!!!

But I am still going to buy used 2002 E55 next Spring...cause of customs duties in Russia...M5 will cost too Much...

and will put Kleemans headers, ECU and pullies...then hopefully will be able to the NEW KING... in a straight line...

corgiman

Just a thought here. And my family has had several BMW's so I'm talking from first hand experience here.

While we E55 owners are cruising the streets enjoying our cars, at any given time a substantial numer of m5's ( or any BMW) will be IN THE SHOP. It'll be for all sorts of reasons from fried clutches to completly clapped out A/C or just shorts in the electrical system. So I'm not really worried about seeing an M5 because the chance that everything will be functioning on it will be slim.

W210

To be honest, I think an RS6 will give my car a better run than the E60 M5. The RS6 with AWD and automatic will be bullet proof.

The M5? Well, you start off with the Power button, SMG S6 mode, DSC off, EDC optimized.. Hey it's easy, just press the dealer programmed M button! But wait, the M button is not ideal for the rough road ahead with EDC on stiffest setting, let's find that EDC button. Now with EDC on normal instead of sports, should I have SMG S6 or A5 and should I still deactivate DSC? But it's slightly wet should I use P400 or P500? Would P400 and DSC off be faster or should I go P500 with DSC on?

Decisions, oops, the warning light is on, let me call 1-800-BMW-HELP.

But wait, there is no dial pad, how can I dial BMW-HELP?

And the E55?

krispykrme

Couple things, all EDC/DSC/Power button are located in same location right next to SMG stick. So 3 clicks. S6 or A5 mode does not matter as its just whether you want to shift yourself of by SMG (and this is done by moving the SMG stick to the right).

Now if I need to do the same thing on the E55.

I need to move the airmatic setting (which is behind the transmission shifter) two click. Now I need to deice if I want to lower or raise my car, (this one is easy, its right next to the airmatic. Now I need to decide if I want to be in S/M/C mode. Okay the button is infront of shifter and 2 clicks. Okay last thing I need to do is now where or not should i remove ESP. Okay, this button is located at the dash area above the changer.

So this argument does not hold water. At least on BMW all 3 buttons and S/A mode switch are all located in same area (shifter area), while on mercedes, this is a 4 button job with 4 buttons located in different area.

Therefore, according to your logic, change setting in BMW would be faster as you have less area to cover.

W210

1. No one drives the E55 with the car raised!

2. E55 gives you full power 100% always, no P400/P500 mode. This will most likely be the biggest annoyance as the M5 always starts with reduced power. (And I don't buy their rain traction thus P400 start excuse.)

3. Does the SMG A/S not afffect the acceleration time and shift points? In the E55, you have 2 modes and most people leave the car in S. In M5, 11?! How exactly do you decide when to use S1-6 and A1-5 for the best launch?

The M5 clearly is more complicated.

krispykrme

1. True. But what would make you believe that M5 owner would not leave their car in same setting as well.

2. Actually I do buy their argument on this. Because I had problem in wet traction with my M3 and I had nearly lost control twice while making a very slow turn at startup with my rear spinning. (Both occured after I got off the highway and was waiting to make a turn at stop light onto the road). M3 with 19in pilot in rain is a horrible combination, combined with CA rain its even worse.

3. Yes. But when I owned my M3, I had never left my car in anything other than S6 (except when wife is driving and she left it in A5). So point does not make sense.

The only thing that I believe that I would change on some what regular basis would be the power button and S/A mode (which is two click). (The change for me will be influenced by weather, and to not allow my wife screw with the car).

You are making the argument basing on that everything would needed to be change when M5 owner is driving the M5, while the E55 driver would not be any change.

I believe this is a fallacy in the argument.

BTW, for W211 E55, there is 3 mode for the transmission. S- sport, C- economy, and M- for manual.