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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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E65 AMG and CLK65 AMG are coming....

The latest issue of The Star magazine by Mercedes Benz Club of America, P. 114, stated the future arrival of the E65 and CLK65. This is what the article said:" Although the current CL65 AMG, S65 AMG, and SL65 AMG use a turbocharged V-12, the smaller lighter E65 AMG and CLK65 AMG, seen here during Death Valley testing, are expected to use a more compact, supercharged V-8 of about 475 hp. I think it time to start saving for the next AMG
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnAMG
The latest issue of The Star magazine by Mercedes Benz Club of America, P. 114, stated the future arrival of the E65 and CLK65. This is what the article said:" Although the current CL65 AMG, S65 AMG, and SL65 AMG use a turbocharged V-12, the smaller lighter E65 AMG and CLK65 AMG, seen here during Death Valley testing, are expected to use a more compact, supercharged V-8 of about 475 hp. I think it time to start saving for the next AMG
So they bumped it 6hp. Thats awesome, it must be a ton faster than the current E55.
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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so why call is a 65 if the engine is more compact than the 55??
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 11:36 PM
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So they bumped it 6hp. Thats awesome, it must be a ton faster than the current E55.
You are right. I hope the hp was a misquote or else the extra liter is worthless.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:00 AM
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I guess more compact to save WEIGHT!!!!?????
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:04 AM
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They wouldn't be foolish enough to stay below the 500bhp mark for the E AMG would they?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:37 AM
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anymore details? transmission? displacement? curb weight?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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A V8 with the same dislacement as a V12 can be more compact than the V12 because it has fewer cylinders. The engine in my E430 can be bored out to the same displacement as the V12 and it will be smaller in size.

It surprises me that an E65 would only have 6 more hp than an E55. How would they justify the price?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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Seems like Mercedes Benz is giving tuning companies a chance to shine
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:18 PM
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I sure hope the E65 comes out the same month as the M5s...wouldn't that just spoil the E60? Lol.

Remember when Subrau kept hush hush on its 2.5L WRX STi when the EVO came out with only a 2.0L?
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 04:11 AM
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The cars testing could actually be the big bore, 6.3 V8's with 7g Tronic. I know that AMG prepares its cars and engines, several years before release. The 65 engine for example started development back in 2001, the 55K in 1999. These models could be the 63's in hot weather trials.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 04:28 AM
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I doubt it's going to be a 6.5L, I believe the current 65AMGs actually use 6.0L Biturbo V12's.
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Old Sep 22, 2004 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dgussin1
So they bumped it 6hp. Thats awesome, it must be a ton faster than the current E55.
...anything beyond 125bhp is overkill anyways...

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Old Sep 24, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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A whopping 6 HP increase eh? Yeah, but they probably gave it a well needed boost in torque.......
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by akbro93704
so why call is a 65 if the engine is more compact than the 55??

MB marketing brainy tricks - so they can sell at higher price - or sell it at the same price as thye E55 to nmake you think you get a newer and higher model. The same 'trick' they come up a C55 after C32 , and that is before the C W203 fade away.

The 65 coming would also mean W211 is facing a major facelift
The E320 will be E350 (launch in Oct04).!
The E500 will be E550 ( I make this up ).
And all higher end Es will be with the 7 Speed tranny.

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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnAMG
You are right. I hope the hp was a misquote or else the extra liter is worthless.

John

quoted article saysthe " SMALLER LIGHTER E65 AMG and CLK65 AMG," before it says " seen here during Death Valley testing, are expected to use a more compact, supercharged V-8 of about 475 hp."



Isnt SLR fast not only because of its engine but also because its small and LiGHT?
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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Hmm....call me crazy but it sounds a lil fishy to me...
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnAMG
The latest issue of The Star magazine by Mercedes Benz Club of America, P. 114, stated the future arrival of the E65 and CLK65. This is what the article said:" Although the current CL65 AMG, S65 AMG, and SL65 AMG use a turbocharged V-12, the smaller lighter E65 AMG and CLK65 AMG, seen here during Death Valley testing, are expected to use a more compact, supercharged V-8 of about 475 hp. I think it time to start saving for the next AMG

So that would mean the next CLK65 AMG will be faster than the E65? Considering the fact that the CLK is lighter than the W211
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:38 PM
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Gooooood point. MB would never make a CLK thats faster than an E (besides the DTM of course, but thats a whole different story).
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Old Sep 25, 2004 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MBenzNL
...anything beyond 125bhp is overkill anyways...

greetingz,
LOL, i like your treatment in this case
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 12:19 AM
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instead of using the V12.. why dont they follow in the steps of BMW and build a V10? has MB made any V10's before? i am not too familiar with any rare V10 mercedes ever built before..
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 09:40 AM
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instead of using the V12.. why dont they follow in the steps of BMW and build a V10? has MB made any V10's before? i am not too familiar with any rare V10 mercedes ever built before..
building a V10 won't be cheap and BMW used heaps of RnD to civilise their F1 technology. I like Benz to be unique and they have done very well with the V8s

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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Isnt SLR fast not only because of its engine but also because its small and LiGHT?
Isn't the SLR way above 1700kg??
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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The curb weights that's been floating around website specs is anywhere from 1587kg to 1724kg. So add about another 70kg for the driver. It's not EXACTLY a light car for it's so called SMALL size. But then again, luxury kills performance I'd prefer a V8 with a bigger displacement, rather than a "TINY" displacement v10 that sounds like a honda
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Old Sep 26, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dtmpower
The curb weights that's been floating around website specs is anywhere from 1587kg to 1724kg. So add about another 70kg for the driver. It's not EXACTLY a light car for it's so called SMALL size. But then again, luxury kills performance I'd prefer a V8 with a bigger displacement, rather than a "TINY" displacement v10 that sounds like a honda

I couldnt agree more.
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