Bilal

http://www.whitisconsulting.com/videos/m3.wmv


Don't know if its worth posting>?

MB AMG

I think it's been posted before.

Mattar

great Video it felt like the E55 wasn't even trying just cruzing while the M3 was pushing it all the way

bsimonson

what M3? :v

zmirza

I would rather see the W210 E55 vs new M3

W211 E55 vs stock M3 < there is no match

skratch77

Its hard for an m3 to keep up against that monster v8,but that guy in that m can't drive for shi*.

m3's with a good driver can get into low 12's.

any way it took me like 3 weeks to get my registration to finish so I could post and learn about the e55.

One lucky day I will have one

Ghufran

Thats a very nice video, there is no way a straight 6 in a straight line can compare with E55, their two completley different cars. Its like comparing
a M5 with C55.

As a M3 driver, the driver could have done better.

I've driven V8's, awesome.

Beowulf

The original post (which gives valuable additional info) is here: https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/83275-12-56-my-best-time-last-night-gainesville-raceway.html. Please take the time to read it before making any assumptions.

zdkdeeier493

I'll believe it when I see it. Which will be...never.

skratch77

Will you bet your benz on it

this one has a 100 shot

this one has chip and pullies he ran a 12.7 bone stock

DRCrowder

12.7 is not low 12's

12.4 and lower is low 12's

skratch77

I said 12.7 and also one 12.6 when he was bone stock.
he ran 12.4 with a chip and pullies.I bet he could get 12.2 with some DRs
He launches at 5k and knows how to ride the clutch out perfect for those times.

Iv seen some more low 12s sec m3 but I dont think there being hosted anymore.

Again the first guy dosnt know how to drive for **** because an e36 m3 does better than what he ran.

zdkdeeier493

...And with a 100 shot I could beat an M3 with a bottle. I never said that it is impossible for ANY M3 to run low 12's, but, this thread is considering what is assumed to be two bone stock vehicles in a head to head race. With modifications like a 100 shot or pullies, anything can beat anything and so that argument is void. I want to see a bone stock M3 run a low 12. THATS what you won't be able to show me.

P.S.: Low 12's = 12.0-12.3 Mid 12's = 12.4-12.6 High 12's = 12.7-12.9

DRCrowder

What he said!!

skratch77

The pullies add like 2whp He said hes gona remove them.again im only trying to show you that m3s can get into the 12s with the right driver.He ran 12.6 bone stock and I think thats pretty damn good for a 3.2 6 banger

and with the other guy with the 100 shot hes still putting down about 250 LESS ft lbs and 100 less whp than an e55s force fed engine.

Try not to be so 1 sided and give props to where its dew.Do you honeslty think you could get low 12s in an e55 if it was a stick.Half the people here would be in the high 13s because theres alot more driving skill needed to luanch the car right.Just like the first guy in the vid with his m3.

DRCrowder

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...splay.php?f=68

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e46m3/

either of those places would be really interested in what you are saying.

BTW you are full of it,E46 M3 is a low 13's car at best. Just because there is a freak or two that does HIGH 12's doesn't make it the norm. We've had BONE STOCK E55's do 11.8, does that make the E55 a high 11's car?? No, it is a low - mid 12's car

Have a great day

skratch77

calling people freaks.Your such a loser i dont even want to waste my time with you.I just chimed in here to inform people with info and learn some stuff along the way.

Why don't you go and do some searches on those sites and see for your self how many people get into the 12s because theres more than just 2.I only used those because I knew people like you would call bs with out vids.By the way my friend gets in the 12s with his car and dosnt even use a computer does that make him a FREAK.

I hope most of the people here are not like you.I mean the kids over at honda tech give more respect to people than you do.

zdkdeeier493

Dude, you're awesome

Skratch,
I'm not dissing the M3. Actually, it's my favorite BMW out there. Now its a given that I'm an MB fan, but I do appreciate BMW's and I do give them props. However, every single BMW junkie comes up with the same argument that you need to give the car "props" because of its efficiency in performance. I would like to make myself clear: BMW's do not compare to Mercedes Benz's in ANY WAY. They are two completely different cars. I don't want to hear mindless criticism of AMG's use of a supercharger because when I am sitting in my plush leather seats and densly packed interrior, I know that I will ALWAYS be more comfortable than I would be in any BMW. Furthermore, do you think that if they really wanted to, AMG would not be able to manufacture a naturally aspirated engine with the same if not better power output than BMW/M? If so, just leave the forum now. The M3 is an extremely agile and capable car. I consider it to be the best sports car on the market for its value at the moment. BUT, regardless of its capabilities and features, the M3 is in a completely different class than the E55. The M3 does not compare to an E55. Period.
I'm not trying to argue or be defensive/mean, I'm just tellin it like it is!

skratch77

I would take an e55 anyday over an m3.Its hard to have a conversation with some of you because your so one sided and don't want to hear the other persons views.

I only posted this info because the orginal poster posted like the SLOWEST EVER m3 that ran and every one was saying how bad it got its ars handed to him by the amg.

Oh and I do tell my friends that the e55 is a high 11 sec car lol

zdkdeeier493

Haha, yeah that M3 driver in the vid. was an idiot. I try not to be one-sided with these sort of things though. I understand that the M3 is an extremely fast car, but I won't buy stock low 12's and it takes a good damn driver to nail a high 12. Either way, I respect your opinion and its really an endless issue, I'm not trying to say you're wrong (completely ), I understand your POV and I respect it. I hear ya mate!

Mardeth

Wow, the E55 with its 5.5l SC engine beat a 3.3l NA car. I almost impressed...

Brav

hell, i sold my M3 for my non AMG E500..

DRCrowder

look at the context... I was refering to the car not the owner. I owned a "freak" S6 that just blew away the posted spec's but it is not the norm

Improviz

Look at the M3 in that video closely...see those wheels? They are definitely not stock. See that 60' time? 1.7? No way in a stock M3. The only way an M3 could hit that low of a 60' time (and resultant 1/4 mile time) is with drag radials. Stock, they are pulling more like 2.0 + 60' times.

Now, you can speculate that the guy went to the trouble of mounting stock rubber on non-stock rear wheels, but that's speculation, and the car is clearly not "bone stock".

I also investigated this matter further, and found some interesting things:

First, in this thread I examined each of the videos, and none of them establishes in any way that this M3 wasn't modified: in all of them, the car is wearing non-stock wheels (meaning almost certainly non-stock rubber; ever hear of anyone buying expensive aftermarket wheels and putting the stock tires back on them??). Further, in several of them you can clearly see that the passenger side front seat is missing; "stock" M3's have front seats. And who knows what other things he stripped out of this thing to lighten it up??

Further, I found that other "Miraculous Matthew", the guy who supposedly performed these "bone stock" runs, somehow managed to avoid showing up when challenged to reproduce his runs in person. He said he'd show, but never came back and gave the challenger a date to do it. Then, afterward, he claimed to have gone to the track; so why didn't he issue an invite? $500 on the line, and this guy doesn't even bother to tell the guy he's showing up, then comes back afterward and talks smack about it? Sounds fishy to me.

So, no, I doubt this M3 was "bone stock", but rather was a relatively stock M3 with a very good driver and drag radials or slicks. But an M3 won't hit a 1.7 second 60' on stock tires, period...that is AWD territory.

skratch77

I dont think there is a vid of him doing a 12.7 but thats what he said he pulled when he was bone stock.

The other vids of him now are with pullies and seats taken out.Hes also on his 3rd tranny and luanches at 5k and power shifts every gear.His best is a 12.4

there not drag tires either.