E55 vs IS300 Turbo
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Originally Posted by bmoores
I don't think I will push the E55 too much further I want to maintain the little driveablity that is left once the renntech is on lol so i have been looking at other options like this:
996 Turbo 240K invested
996 Turbo 240K invested
You could also opt for a twin turbocharged Ferrari 360
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Originally Posted by Sunny55
That IS300 turbo is sick, serious fu@#ing power! Wonder if it is a XS-engineering turbo package, i know they do some serious (well over 600 rwhp) tuning for the IS. Anyway, maybe you should look into a set of kleemann headers in addition to your ecu/pulley and cat-back exhaust, or evosport, but with the kleemann headers, the cats must be removed, therefore more power. I think the end result between your e55 and the IS will be not be any different with just the ecu/pulley and cat-back. You will definitley come closer, but from your video, it seems like the IS just pulls and pulls, very amazing for that car though, just too much power in a lighter car. It might be a closer race on the highway once you have ecu/pulley, headers, exhaust, and maybe a few cooling upgrades.
What do the rest of the forum members think?
What do the rest of the forum members think?
With the Kleemann headers I only removed one set of cats but was able to min. back pressure. I also have exhaust cutout that bypass the mufflers with a touch of a switch.
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saber,
Again, let's compare apples to apples here. We have cars running very high octane levels in order to achieve this kind of power whilst the 55 cars are tuned for 91/93 octane. Stick OEM tires on both, and limit octane to 93 or below, and you better believe you would be very close. That Supra would not be running 130mph trap speeds on 93 octane. It would still probably MPH better than you, but the ET would be damn close. I still think that is very impressive.
-m
Again, let's compare apples to apples here. We have cars running very high octane levels in order to achieve this kind of power whilst the 55 cars are tuned for 91/93 octane. Stick OEM tires on both, and limit octane to 93 or below, and you better believe you would be very close. That Supra would not be running 130mph trap speeds on 93 octane. It would still probably MPH better than you, but the ET would be damn close. I still think that is very impressive.
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
When it comes to the 2JZ engine... I've seen and done it all. For years I ate, slept, and breathed the 2JZ. Automatic, 6-speed, twin turbos, single turbos, lexus, toyota, you name it.
I see nothing strange here. You have two extremely modified 2JZ powered cars running against a bone stock E55. I've seen 100% street driven Civics that are just as fast as the IS and Supra in the video... big deal. Both those cars require race gas to get those figures, sticky tires, and are nowhere near as reliable/dependable as the E55. Stick 91 octane in both of those cars and I GUARANTEE you will see very different results.
Wait until we have some cooling upgrades out, fill them both up with 93 octane and run them from a dead dig with non-drag radial street tires... you'll be pleasantly surprised.
-m
I see nothing strange here. You have two extremely modified 2JZ powered cars running against a bone stock E55. I've seen 100% street driven Civics that are just as fast as the IS and Supra in the video... big deal. Both those cars require race gas to get those figures, sticky tires, and are nowhere near as reliable/dependable as the E55. Stick 91 octane in both of those cars and I GUARANTEE you will see very different results.
Wait until we have some cooling upgrades out, fill them both up with 93 octane and run them from a dead dig with non-drag radial street tires... you'll be pleasantly surprised.
-m
....so what happens when you add c16 and level the playing field 
....Even you know your benz wont pull like your 800rwhp supra did, traction is nothing some dr's cant fix. I would hope a car weighing over 4,000lbs would get traction 
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
saber,
Again, let's compare apples to apples here. We have cars running very high octane levels in order to achieve this kind of power whilst the 55 cars are tuned for 91/93 octane. Stick OEM tires on both, and limit octane to 93 or below, and you better believe you would be very close. That Supra would not be running 130mph trap speeds on 93 octane. It would still probably MPH better than you, but the ET would be damn close. I still think that is very impressive.
-m
Again, let's compare apples to apples here. We have cars running very high octane levels in order to achieve this kind of power whilst the 55 cars are tuned for 91/93 octane. Stick OEM tires on both, and limit octane to 93 or below, and you better believe you would be very close. That Supra would not be running 130mph trap speeds on 93 octane. It would still probably MPH better than you, but the ET would be damn close. I still think that is very impressive.
-m
Go put on a sick top mount intercooler and unleash the beast already
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Originally Posted by is300lex
Well what did you expect from motor nearly twice the size AND is supercharged ....so what happens when you add c16 and level the playing field ....Even you know your benz wont pull like your 800rwhp supra did, traction is nothing some dr's cant fix. I would hope a car weighing over 4,000lbs would get traction
....so what happens when you add c16 and level the playing field ....Even you know your benz wont pull like your 800rwhp supra did, traction is nothing some dr's cant fix. I would hope a car weighing over 4,000lbs would get traction Don't start complaining about engine size... the lack thereof for the Japanese cars is their choice... I used to buy into the "Technology is the replacement for displacement" but technology cannot replacement for displacement AND technology.
By adding C16 you immediately change the playing field, you don't level it. My car is a factory car, that still runs the way an OEM car does... my Supra, the IS in the video, etc simply do not. There's a huge difference. Bottom line is I can drive from New York to LA and beat on the car all I want and fill up at any gas station... and that's the way I like it.
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Originally Posted by is300lex
Ever heard of run what you brung??
Go put on a sick top mount intercooler and unleash the beast already
Go put on a sick top mount intercooler and unleash the beast already
Like I said, I've been there with high hp turbocharged cars and I raelly enjoyed them. However the truth is they simply don't compare to the versatility of a high horsepower OEM car like the E55...
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E55 is very respectable car for what it does, at the same time it costs more then twice what most new performance luxury cars cost...As for pump gas, I would love to run a E55 vs me on pump it would be a good run with the edge going to me...I have driven my car to georgia and back and its my daily driver, nothin to crazy but turn key and goes...I have much more fun driving a turbo car then a SC'ed car and many will agree from a fun factor and the increased potential.
I have seen your car on t04r.com, very nice taste.
I have seen your car on t04r.com, very nice taste.
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Originally Posted by is300lex
E55 is very respectable car for what it does, at the same time it costs more then twice what most new performance luxury cars cost
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
Name another performance luxury car with the same amount of performance AND luxury as the E55 for less money.
The RS6 and the new M5 are still more expensive than the E55...the others mentioned aren't even in the same league...IMO
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
The RS6 and the new M5 are still more expensive than the E55...the others mentioned aren't even in the same league...IMO
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Originally Posted by is300lex
E55 is very respectable car for what it does, at the same time it costs more then twice what most new performance luxury cars cost...As for pump gas, I would love to run a E55 vs me on pump it would be a good run with the edge going to me...I have driven my car to georgia and back and its my daily driver, nothin to crazy but turn key and goes...I have much more fun driving a turbo car then a SC'ed car and many will agree from a fun factor and the increased potential.
I have seen your car on t04r.com, very nice taste.
I have seen your car on t04r.com, very nice taste.
Bottom line is I've built and owned both (well, the E55 is going under the knife soon enough). Soon enough at stock boost you are going to see the E55 make close to 600hp on 93 octane without breaking a sweat. This is from a 4000lb midsize (not an entry level) luxury sedan. I should also mention the amenties the E55 offers over the IS aren't even worth mentioning. I'm not bashing Supras, lord knows I was at one time a huge part of the community, but I also have opened my eyes to what else is out there and no way does a large single turbo 2JZ compare to the M113K in the V8 Kompressor cars in terms of the overall package - performance, drivability, etc. Not a chance. Once we get the cooling sorted out on this engine we'll easily be approaching 500rwhp and it'll be in a configuration that is more reliable than a stock configuration.
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From my understanding, the AMG 5.5 V8 in the E55 is really underachieving...isn't the engine capable of close to 700 ft/lb of torque...(maybe the more mechanically inclined can correct me) and the limiting factor is the transmission and the engine cooling of the s/c...my point is that at stock form the E55 is a great package (luxury and performance), but in modded form (engine management, cooling, suspension upgrades, etc...) we expect greater performance that is not only significantly improved but just as reliable as stock...
Depending on what Mercedes/AMG does with the next generation AMG E, upgrading the E55 with aftermarket setups maybe less expensive and be a better performer (straight line acceleration and handling).
Depending on what Mercedes/AMG does with the next generation AMG E, upgrading the E55 with aftermarket setups maybe less expensive and be a better performer (straight line acceleration and handling).
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
I appreciate the positive comments about my car, but we aren't seeing eye to eye. The Supra I had, which was faster than your IS on race gas and pump gas, does not even compare to the drivability I have in the E55. Been there, done that. My car is a factory equipped car with a 50k mile warranty that runs low 12s all day out of the box... yours is not. On top of that your bias towards turbo cars I think simply comes from inexperience of driving properly setup forced induction larger engines... the power band of my Supra was too peaky and didn't give enough low end response... from 2000rpm in second gear I can mash the throttle in the E55 and I'm gone, with the Supra I'd be waiting 1500+rpm before anything interesting happened.
Bottom line is I've built and owned both (well, the E55 is going under the knife soon enough). Soon enough at stock boost you are going to see the E55 make close to 600hp on 93 octane without breaking a sweat. This is from a 4000lb midsize (not an entry level) luxury sedan. I should also mention the amenties the E55 offers over the IS aren't even worth mentioning. I'm not bashing Supras, lord knows I was at one time a huge part of the community, but I also have opened my eyes to what else is out there and no way does a large single turbo 2JZ compare to the M113K in the V8 Kompressor cars in terms of the overall package - performance, drivability, etc. Not a chance. Once we get the cooling sorted out on this engine we'll easily be approaching 500rwhp and it'll be in a configuration that is more reliable than a stock configuration.
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Bottom line is I've built and owned both (well, the E55 is going under the knife soon enough). Soon enough at stock boost you are going to see the E55 make close to 600hp on 93 octane without breaking a sweat. This is from a 4000lb midsize (not an entry level) luxury sedan. I should also mention the amenties the E55 offers over the IS aren't even worth mentioning. I'm not bashing Supras, lord knows I was at one time a huge part of the community, but I also have opened my eyes to what else is out there and no way does a large single turbo 2JZ compare to the M113K in the V8 Kompressor cars in terms of the overall package - performance, drivability, etc. Not a chance. Once we get the cooling sorted out on this engine we'll easily be approaching 500rwhp and it'll be in a configuration that is more reliable than a stock configuration.
-m
...I chose the IS knowing I could build it to destroy 99% of the cars on the road and do it with a sporty luxury sedan that cost much less than anything from the factory. I must say the E55 is an absolute beast and can only imagine how long it will take for some modded ones to really break some ground. I won't get beat by one from a roll on pump gas and street tires, and with a very near future of dr's wont be beat from a stop either...Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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I believe the SLR shows some of the potential of the M113k,however why would a built turbocharged Supra neccessarily need race fuel to beat a stck E55k if it's tuned properly for pump gas? Or am I missing something?
Or am I missing something?
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I don't see what your getting at with what octane hes running.Who cares and You don't need race gas to make his power with a right tuned car.Hes using a tec3 wich cost like 3k for crying out laud.
I don't see your super technoligical e55 making 250 hp/l like this kids is300.
Heres a 726hp STREET legal 93 octane stock ecu tuned mcoupe from aa.specs here
Wut turbo did you have in your supra and what were you using for managment?
The new gtr series garrett turbos are nasty and make full boost by 3k
I don't see your super technoligical e55 making 250 hp/l like this kids is300.
Heres a 726hp STREET legal 93 octane stock ecu tuned mcoupe from aa.specs here
Wut turbo did you have in your supra and what were you using for managment?
The new gtr series garrett turbos are nasty and make full boost by 3k
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I'm enjoying the bantering on this,
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
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Originally Posted by Kens-E55
I'm enjoying the bantering on this,
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
http://www.dsmtimes.org/evo.htm
http://www.dsmtimes.org/fastest.htm
http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm awd
http://www.dsmtimes.org/fwd.htm fwd
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And then I'll get on my sport bike....
There is always a better, bigger, faster, cooler car out there, but do any of them none of them is the perfect balance such as the E55. There is no other competition.
There is always a better, bigger, faster, cooler car out there, but do any of them none of them is the perfect balance such as the E55. There is no other competition.
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Originally Posted by Kens-E55
I'm enjoying the bantering on this,
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
Just for grins here is a list of upgrades for our E-55's and the result
EVO or Kleemann Stage 3 (must have headers and upgraded exhaust)
Upgraded Cooling (when it gets here & is a MUST to have))
3.06 LSD rear end
255/35/19 Fr & 295/30/19 Rr on 19x8.5 & 19x10 (Lightweight Rims!)
This should result in a mid 11 sec. 1/4 mi @ 125-127mph
and for the $ of 14-16k in upgrades-Still not beating a Supra blown to the hilt
but will walk away from everything else but SLR/Enzo/ZO6/Ford GT
at a fraction of the price(except ZO6)
Walk away with an empty wallet more like it lol.
45k for an m3 and 25k for the evo sport supercharger kit(600hp) and Still 30k less than your done up e55.
This car will keep up with you and put you to shame in the twisties
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But can it hold 4 people and get number 1 spot to any hotel you go to?
Can it take out three additional clients to cop you that extra sale.
Can you take it to 150mph and back down without any cops blinking an eye at your 'sedan'?
Plus, we like reliable cars, not ticking time bombs that ride on rocks.
Can it take out three additional clients to cop you that extra sale.
Can you take it to 150mph and back down without any cops blinking an eye at your 'sedan'?
Plus, we like reliable cars, not ticking time bombs that ride on rocks.
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
But can it hold 4 people and get number 1 spot to any hotel you go to?
Can it take out three additional clients to cop you that extra sale.
Can you take it to 150mph and back down without any cops blinking an eye at your 'sedan'?
Plus, we like reliable cars, not ticking time bombs that ride on rocks.
Can it take out three additional clients to cop you that extra sale.
Can you take it to 150mph and back down without any cops blinking an eye at your 'sedan'?
Plus, we like reliable cars, not ticking time bombs that ride on rocks.
Here we go again about bmw not being reliable because of a stupid wrong sized crank bearing.Find me one e46 with all the new updates thats blown up.
mpilot from m3forums is running his NA m3 to 8600 rpms and it hasnt blown up yet.Even dinan ups the rev limiter to 8400 with there chip.
Besides the evo sport kit does a full engine rebuild.Pistons,crank,rods,bearings,cams ect.
