CLS 63 hp????
11-11-2010, 01:08 PM
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CLS 63 hp????
Can anyone explain why the cls63 v8 tt only has 518 hp and 516tq??? These numbers are not impressive at all. If this is going to be the same for the up and coming E 63 tt we are in for rude awakening when the F10 M5 drops. Even with the PP 550hp it isn't enough; rumors say the M5 is going to be between 578-592 hp along with the DCT drive train, there will be no boost loose between gears.
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High-Performance CLS63 AMG Four-Door Coupe
Center stage at the L.A. Show, the all-new 2012 CLS63 AMG will be powered by a new 5.5-liter biturbo V8 that produces more power and better fuel economy. With twin turbochargers, direct fuel injection and multi-spark ignition, the new AMG engine will produce 518 horsepower and 516 lb.-ft. of torque. The new CLS63 AMG will also come with AMG's award-winning MCT (for multi-clutch technology) transmission and innovative systems designed to reduce fuel consumption. For even more performance, the CLS63 AMG will be available with an optional Performance Package that includes increased power - 550 hp and 590 lb.-ft. of torque.
With fresh body lines that accentuate the distinctive shape of the swoopy four-door coupe, the new-generation CLS-Class represents the first major redesign of a car that established an entirely new market segment - the four-door coupe. Defining yet another market segment in an ever-expanding and highly competitive auto industry, the CLS was the first four-door vehicle to combine the emotional appeal and dynamic design of a coupe with the comfort and functionality of a four-door sedan.
The Fuel-Cell-Powered F-CELL
I am not happy about this!
High-Performance CLS63 AMG Four-Door Coupe
Center stage at the L.A. Show, the all-new 2012 CLS63 AMG will be powered by a new 5.5-liter biturbo V8 that produces more power and better fuel economy. With twin turbochargers, direct fuel injection and multi-spark ignition, the new AMG engine will produce 518 horsepower and 516 lb.-ft. of torque. The new CLS63 AMG will also come with AMG's award-winning MCT (for multi-clutch technology) transmission and innovative systems designed to reduce fuel consumption. For even more performance, the CLS63 AMG will be available with an optional Performance Package that includes increased power - 550 hp and 590 lb.-ft. of torque.
With fresh body lines that accentuate the distinctive shape of the swoopy four-door coupe, the new-generation CLS-Class represents the first major redesign of a car that established an entirely new market segment - the four-door coupe. Defining yet another market segment in an ever-expanding and highly competitive auto industry, the CLS was the first four-door vehicle to combine the emotional appeal and dynamic design of a coupe with the comfort and functionality of a four-door sedan.
The Fuel-Cell-Powered F-CELL
11-11-2010, 01:37 PM
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I read different info pertaining to HP figures. Here are the numbers according to the link below. The 2012 CLS63, 5.5 L twin turbo V8 544 hp and 590 ft lbs tq, it says there is also an "AMG Performance Package" option that bumps the output to 571hp and 664 ft lbs tq. Not sure how accurate this info is but I have seen similar numbers elsewhere, the 518 that you mention is much lower than any of the other numbers I have seen.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...U3D0E_pOlL1GQw
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...U3D0E_pOlL1GQw
11-11-2010, 09:24 PM
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I also find it curious that the new 5.5 TTV8 in the CLS AMG has exactly the same horsepower as the existing 6.2V8 (in its highest tune save for the SLS) and exactly the same torque figure as the old supercharged 5.5v8 in the W211. That seems quite coincidental . . . I presume that engine will likely have the same ratings/tune as in the E63 when it comes out (2013/14???).
It looks like MB is providing engines with different tunes between the S/CL classes and the rest of the line-up. The "regular" 2012 CLS550 has 402 hp and 443 ft vs the 2011 CL550 having 429 hp and 519 ft. You see a similar gap on the AMG versions of the 5.5TTv8 both with and without the performance pack.
I will be curious to see if that is just a ratings game to support the stratospheric price of the CL/S-class or whether those are real world differences. I would have thought they are paper differences but that seems to be too huge a torque difference to "make up".
By the way, there is a great article in Motortrend today about the passing of the torch from the 6.2V8 to the new 5.5TTV8. If the author is right about the sound of the 5.5TTV8 being lacking relative to the 6.2V8, that will be a shame. I would not trade the sound of my 6.2V8 for even an extra 50 fl-lbs of torque as I enjoy that sound every time a fire up the car and tool around town - fast or slow. It is a sound my old E55 never had - and man would I not want to give that up.
It looks like MB is providing engines with different tunes between the S/CL classes and the rest of the line-up. The "regular" 2012 CLS550 has 402 hp and 443 ft vs the 2011 CL550 having 429 hp and 519 ft. You see a similar gap on the AMG versions of the 5.5TTv8 both with and without the performance pack.
I will be curious to see if that is just a ratings game to support the stratospheric price of the CL/S-class or whether those are real world differences. I would have thought they are paper differences but that seems to be too huge a torque difference to "make up".
By the way, there is a great article in Motortrend today about the passing of the torch from the 6.2V8 to the new 5.5TTV8. If the author is right about the sound of the 5.5TTV8 being lacking relative to the 6.2V8, that will be a shame. I would not trade the sound of my 6.2V8 for even an extra 50 fl-lbs of torque as I enjoy that sound every time a fire up the car and tool around town - fast or slow. It is a sound my old E55 never had - and man would I not want to give that up.
11-11-2010, 11:23 PM
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I also find it curious that the new 5.5 TTV8 in the CLS AMG has exactly the same horsepower as the existing 6.2V8 (in its highest tune save for the SLS) and exactly the same torque figure as the old supercharged 5.5v8 in the W211. That seems quite coincidental . . . I presume that engine will likely have the same ratings/tune as in the E63 when it comes out (2013/14???).
It looks like MB is providing engines with different tunes between the S/CL classes and the rest of the line-up. The "regular" 2012 CLS550 has 402 hp and 443 ft vs the 2011 CL550 having 429 hp and 519 ft. You see a similar gap on the AMG versions of the 5.5TTv8 both with and without the performance pack.
I will be curious to see if that is just a ratings game to support the stratospheric price of the CL/S-class or whether those are real world differences. I would have thought they are paper differences but that seems to be too huge a torque difference to "make up".
By the way, there is a great article in Motortrend today about the passing of the torch from the 6.2V8 to the new 5.5TTV8. If the author is right about the sound of the 5.5TTV8 being lacking relative to the 6.2V8, that will be a shame. I would not trade the sound of my 6.2V8 for even an extra 50 fl-lbs of torque as I enjoy that sound every time a fire up the car and tool around town - fast or slow. It is a sound my old E55 never had - and man would I not want to give that up.
It looks like MB is providing engines with different tunes between the S/CL classes and the rest of the line-up. The "regular" 2012 CLS550 has 402 hp and 443 ft vs the 2011 CL550 having 429 hp and 519 ft. You see a similar gap on the AMG versions of the 5.5TTv8 both with and without the performance pack.
I will be curious to see if that is just a ratings game to support the stratospheric price of the CL/S-class or whether those are real world differences. I would have thought they are paper differences but that seems to be too huge a torque difference to "make up".
By the way, there is a great article in Motortrend today about the passing of the torch from the 6.2V8 to the new 5.5TTV8. If the author is right about the sound of the 5.5TTV8 being lacking relative to the 6.2V8, that will be a shame. I would not trade the sound of my 6.2V8 for even an extra 50 fl-lbs of torque as I enjoy that sound every time a fire up the car and tool around town - fast or slow. It is a sound my old E55 never had - and man would I not want to give that up.
11-12-2010, 07:56 AM
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518hp and 550hp with PP are the "official" numbers unfortunately.
MB apparently decided to de-tune the engine so the S63/CL63 still have a little bit of advantage for marketing purposes.
I bet though,if you put on a dyno both CLS and S63,both will show similar rear wheel hp readouts,regardless of what the brochure says.....
MB apparently decided to de-tune the engine so the S63/CL63 still have a little bit of advantage for marketing purposes.
I bet though,if you put on a dyno both CLS and S63,both will show similar rear wheel hp readouts,regardless of what the brochure says.....
11-14-2010, 04:44 PM
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Yes from what I've read, the sound is not as good as the sound produced by the current 6.2L NA V8. However, you can always remove the resonator if you desire more aggressive sound. Also, I'm sure the extra hp, torque, and increased potential for modding will eventually sway people over.
I am sure you are right - the new engine will be great, just like all current and past AMG engines. In fact, I can't think of any AMG engine I wouldn't have loved to own over the years. I guess that is why so many of us on the Forum are repeat AMG owners. . .
11-16-2010, 03:20 AM
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How can you say those are official? We won't see the new CLS63 until the LA Auto Show. I know AMG detunes engines in the C63 and in the SLK55 but does AMG have a history of detuning cars between E/CLS-class and S/CL-class? If that really is official, 550hp with the performance package isn't so bad...
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11-18-2010, 01:45 AM
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/16/2...3-amg-la-2010/
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AMG's new baby – the M157 5.5-liter twin-turbocharged V8 – is finding a home in nearly every new Mercedes product, and when fitted to the CLS63 the blown mill is good for 518 horsepower and 516 pound-feet of torque... in standard form. Option up for the AMG Performance Package and Merc's in-house tuner turns up the boost from 14.5 to 18.8 psi and output rises to 550 hp and 590 lb-ft of twist. Equipped with AMG's seven-gear "Speedshift" MCT automatic tranny, the CLS63 takes an estimated 4.4 seconds to run from 0-60 in standard guise and 4.3 seconds with the AMG pack. Similarly, top speed also rises from 155 to 186 mph with the performance upgrade. And if you care, both variants clock in at 16 mpg in the city and 21 mpg on the highway.
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11-18-2010, 11:37 AM
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I like that color too--- and 518/516 is not that dissappointing IMHO-- easily tuned to a higher number.
11-18-2010, 11:51 AM
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I also find it curious that the new 5.5 TTV8 in the CLS AMG has exactly the same horsepower as the existing 6.2V8 (in its highest tune save for the SLS) and exactly the same torque figure as the old supercharged 5.5v8 in the W211. That seems quite coincidental . . .
Still, I've been reading the higher numbers as well, so time will tell.
11-18-2010, 07:54 PM
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I must say I am a little disappointed with Mercedes on their "Performance Pack" option. If it is true that the only difference in the "base" engine and the performance pack engine is the amount of boost applied, which I would imagine is entirely software driven, then I think Mercedes should make the higher boost part of the "base" engine rather than charge $8-10 grand extra for the best performer (at least in a straight line). This strikes me as MB being too greedy - much like Porsche does with its Turbo "S" line of higher boosted cars for extra $$$.
I could see that if Mercedes had to "spend more" to make the engine stronger, like the P31 Package on the C63 where they have reworked the internals to bump the horsepower to 481, then an "up" charge would be warranted. But here I would think the cost to Mercedes is the same. Yes, we have the P30 option currently on the E63, but I think of that more as making the car more track ready then anything else (although I admit it is not clear cut on that example either).
I guess one answer would be to buy the "base" engine and have the car tuned for $2k by shops like Speedriven and match the performance gains of the performance pack . . .
Am I off base here???
I could see that if Mercedes had to "spend more" to make the engine stronger, like the P31 Package on the C63 where they have reworked the internals to bump the horsepower to 481, then an "up" charge would be warranted. But here I would think the cost to Mercedes is the same. Yes, we have the P30 option currently on the E63, but I think of that more as making the car more track ready then anything else (although I admit it is not clear cut on that example either).
I guess one answer would be to buy the "base" engine and have the car tuned for $2k by shops like Speedriven and match the performance gains of the performance pack . . .
Am I off base here???
11-18-2010, 09:09 PM
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^ i agree completely, tuners will probably be able to make it even faster than the performance package numbers by upping the boost even more...
but you have to take into account other benefits of the performance package like LSD, red brakes(i think there better), carbon fiber goodies, and hey maybe they brought back the suspension changes? but again these can all be possibly obtained for less than what the performance package costs
also there are people out there that do not like modifying their cars due to warranty issues that may arise, and the performance package may be right for them
but you have to take into account other benefits of the performance package like LSD, red brakes(i think there better), carbon fiber goodies, and hey maybe they brought back the suspension changes? but again these can all be possibly obtained for less than what the performance package costs
also there are people out there that do not like modifying their cars due to warranty issues that may arise, and the performance package may be right for them
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From an email I got from marketing-amg@daimler.com:
"As the pioneer of the four-door coupé automotive segment, the all new Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG definitively confirms its place as the ultimate vehicle of its kind. This top-of-the-range version of the CLS equipped with the newly developed AMG V8 biturbo engine, featuring a toe curling peak output of up to 410 kW (557 hp) and 800 Nm of torque, as well as the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission, allowing this masterpiece to feel equally at home on the racetrack as well as the on-ramp. Not to be ignored are fuel consumption improvements of 32 percent and stylistic updates that distinctly identify this as a true original.
An all new captivating design, ground-breaking efficiency, and all new innovative performance: in any setting, the CLS 63 AMG aims to be the Object of your Desire."
"As the pioneer of the four-door coupé automotive segment, the all new Mercedes-Benz CLS 63 AMG definitively confirms its place as the ultimate vehicle of its kind. This top-of-the-range version of the CLS equipped with the newly developed AMG V8 biturbo engine, featuring a toe curling peak output of up to 410 kW (557 hp) and 800 Nm of torque, as well as the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission, allowing this masterpiece to feel equally at home on the racetrack as well as the on-ramp. Not to be ignored are fuel consumption improvements of 32 percent and stylistic updates that distinctly identify this as a true original.
An all new captivating design, ground-breaking efficiency, and all new innovative performance: in any setting, the CLS 63 AMG aims to be the Object of your Desire."
