2012 E63 Review
11-15-2011, 07:10 AM
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11-15-2011, 02:39 PM
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I would also think it is true that special order will have less bargaining power than inventoried ones that are tying up the business' capital...unless there are someone on this forum who has experience in the dealership finance world to enlighten us with some info on that subject.
11-15-2011, 11:29 PM
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11-16-2011, 07:17 AM
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11-16-2011, 11:20 AM
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11-17-2011, 01:17 AM
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11-17-2011, 02:59 AM
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every time i hear that 6.2 start up, im like daymmmm,
sure the torq is low(er), but for 30 grand less, it can suffice,
but im saying this with out driving the 2012, once i get a chance to, who knows
sure the torq is low(er), but for 30 grand less, it can suffice,
but im saying this with out driving the 2012, once i get a chance to, who knows
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Stock versus stock my CLS63TT has a better "bark" at startup than my E63 did. NO question.
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TT bark, TT WOT throttle sound, TT in general 
Now to be fair I did remove the post cats and the resonator on the E63 and sound got better but all I did was remove the resonator on the TT and baaaaaaaaam the sound is alot better than the E63. The TT's dont have post cats from the factory and the car has a serious growl with the resonator out.
Now to be fair I did remove the post cats and the resonator on the E63 and sound got better but all I did was remove the resonator on the TT and baaaaaaaaam the sound is alot better than the E63. The TT's dont have post cats from the factory and the car has a serious growl with the resonator out.
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11-17-2011, 03:32 PM
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lotta vids or fail
vic, performance wise, how significant is the difference between the two in your estimation
have u run them side to side
vic, performance wise, how significant is the difference between the two in your estimation
have u run them side to side
11-17-2011, 04:05 PM
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My E63 has a tune so its about 35 hp up versus stock and the CLS is stock- from a dig the CLS is slightly faster out of the box and the rolling run would go to the CLS. Acceleration from 60 to 130 is faster in the CLS- its not mind blowing faster like my 997 Tuned PDK or the GTR (modded) but its faster no doubt.
No side by side runs as of yet.
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Geeze,perhaps I must key on a 2012,VS.the 2010-'11 thoughts of a great deal.
Clearly the most informative thread I've read,particularly "E63's" account. One would think a dealer would dump a 2010,no?
Clearly the most informative thread I've read,particularly "E63's" account. One would think a dealer would dump a 2010,no?
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One Month Later
I have had my car for about a month now, and thought I would write up some follow up comments.
I really love the car, especially the torque. Its a big improvement over the 2010 version. To me, the additional power is quite noticeable. Of course, the 2010 car has a lot of power, so for many people this car and its power will be perfectly fine. Driving my 2012 and 2010 cars back to back, I can really tell the difference, but the 2010 car is still great. The power band is just much more accessible in the 2012. The tires work noticeably harder and longer to find grip than in the 2010 car. Its fun to dip into that vat of torque.
Regarding what others have said about shifting speed, I am not sure what the big deal is. I normally don't drive in M mode, but I often use the paddles while in S+ mode, and the speed of shifting seems plenty fast to me. I care much more about two other aspects of shifting, rather than just gear change speed: Overall speed of the car and smoothness of the shifting. I want my car to accelerate fast. Part of this is based on the speed of the gear changes, but that is also coupled with the engine power. I would rather have a car that took longer to shift gears, but got to 60 miles an hour faster than one with lightning quick shifts. Also, I want a car that is not jerky when shifting. I test drove an M5 a few years ago and could not stand the jerky shifter. It might have shifted faster, but so what. It was unpleasantly rough.
The steering of the 2012 is also better than on the 2010. I think it is quicker and lighter, but part of this may be the difference in steering wheels.
The engine sound is great in both cars. The 2012 car has a different tone, but still sounds very mean.
I forgot to mention another minor change to the 2012 in my earlier posts. In my 2010 car, the horizontal area immediately surrounding the gear shifter and selector buttons was brushed metal, with burl wood trim on the sides. In the new car, both these areas are black, even if the rest of the trim for the car is burl wood.
The ride of the car, though a bit stiffer than the 2010, is fine. Driving the 2010 in Comfort mode does feel a little like a boat in comparison. The new car is stiffer, but not too stiff for my taste.
I replaced the amber front lenses, and it looks much better.
I really love the car, especially the torque. Its a big improvement over the 2010 version. To me, the additional power is quite noticeable. Of course, the 2010 car has a lot of power, so for many people this car and its power will be perfectly fine. Driving my 2012 and 2010 cars back to back, I can really tell the difference, but the 2010 car is still great. The power band is just much more accessible in the 2012. The tires work noticeably harder and longer to find grip than in the 2010 car. Its fun to dip into that vat of torque.
Regarding what others have said about shifting speed, I am not sure what the big deal is. I normally don't drive in M mode, but I often use the paddles while in S+ mode, and the speed of shifting seems plenty fast to me. I care much more about two other aspects of shifting, rather than just gear change speed: Overall speed of the car and smoothness of the shifting. I want my car to accelerate fast. Part of this is based on the speed of the gear changes, but that is also coupled with the engine power. I would rather have a car that took longer to shift gears, but got to 60 miles an hour faster than one with lightning quick shifts. Also, I want a car that is not jerky when shifting. I test drove an M5 a few years ago and could not stand the jerky shifter. It might have shifted faster, but so what. It was unpleasantly rough.
The steering of the 2012 is also better than on the 2010. I think it is quicker and lighter, but part of this may be the difference in steering wheels.
The engine sound is great in both cars. The 2012 car has a different tone, but still sounds very mean.
I forgot to mention another minor change to the 2012 in my earlier posts. In my 2010 car, the horizontal area immediately surrounding the gear shifter and selector buttons was brushed metal, with burl wood trim on the sides. In the new car, both these areas are black, even if the rest of the trim for the car is burl wood.
The ride of the car, though a bit stiffer than the 2010, is fine. Driving the 2010 in Comfort mode does feel a little like a boat in comparison. The new car is stiffer, but not too stiff for my taste.
I replaced the amber front lenses, and it looks much better.
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I have had my car for about a month now, and thought I would write up some follow up comments.
I really love the car, especially the torque. Its a big improvement over the 2010 version. To me, the additional power is quite noticeable. Of course, the 2010 car has a lot of power, so for many people this car and its power will be perfectly fine. Driving my 2012 and 2010 cars back to back, I can really tell the difference, but the 2010 car is still great. The power band is just much more accessible in the 2012. The tires work noticeably harder and longer to find grip than in the 2010 car. Its fun to dip into that vat of torque.
Regarding what others have said about shifting speed, I am not sure what the big deal is. I normally don't drive in M mode, but I often use the paddles while in S+ mode, and the speed of shifting seems plenty fast to me. I care much more about two other aspects of shifting, rather than just gear change speed: Overall speed of the car and smoothness of the shifting. I want my car to accelerate fast. Part of this is based on the speed of the gear changes, but that is also coupled with the engine power. I would rather have a car that took longer to shift gears, but got to 60 miles an hour faster than one with lightning quick shifts. Also, I want a car that is not jerky when shifting. I test drove an M5 a few years ago and could not stand the jerky shifter. It might have shifted faster, but so what. It was unpleasantly rough.
The steering of the 2012 is also better than on the 2010. I think it is quicker and lighter, but part of this may be the difference in steering wheels.
The engine sound is great in both cars. The 2012 car has a different tone, but still sounds very mean.
I forgot to mention another minor change to the 2012 in my earlier posts. In my 2010 car, the horizontal area immediately surrounding the gear shifter and selector buttons was brushed metal, with burl wood trim on the sides. In the new car, both these areas are black, even if the rest of the trim for the car is burl wood.
The ride of the car, though a bit stiffer than the 2010, is fine. Driving the 2010 in Comfort mode does feel a little like a boat in comparison. The new car is stiffer, but not too stiff for my taste.
I replaced the amber front lenses, and it looks much better.
I really love the car, especially the torque. Its a big improvement over the 2010 version. To me, the additional power is quite noticeable. Of course, the 2010 car has a lot of power, so for many people this car and its power will be perfectly fine. Driving my 2012 and 2010 cars back to back, I can really tell the difference, but the 2010 car is still great. The power band is just much more accessible in the 2012. The tires work noticeably harder and longer to find grip than in the 2010 car. Its fun to dip into that vat of torque.
Regarding what others have said about shifting speed, I am not sure what the big deal is. I normally don't drive in M mode, but I often use the paddles while in S+ mode, and the speed of shifting seems plenty fast to me. I care much more about two other aspects of shifting, rather than just gear change speed: Overall speed of the car and smoothness of the shifting. I want my car to accelerate fast. Part of this is based on the speed of the gear changes, but that is also coupled with the engine power. I would rather have a car that took longer to shift gears, but got to 60 miles an hour faster than one with lightning quick shifts. Also, I want a car that is not jerky when shifting. I test drove an M5 a few years ago and could not stand the jerky shifter. It might have shifted faster, but so what. It was unpleasantly rough.
The steering of the 2012 is also better than on the 2010. I think it is quicker and lighter, but part of this may be the difference in steering wheels.
The engine sound is great in both cars. The 2012 car has a different tone, but still sounds very mean.
I forgot to mention another minor change to the 2012 in my earlier posts. In my 2010 car, the horizontal area immediately surrounding the gear shifter and selector buttons was brushed metal, with burl wood trim on the sides. In the new car, both these areas are black, even if the rest of the trim for the car is burl wood.
The ride of the car, though a bit stiffer than the 2010, is fine. Driving the 2010 in Comfort mode does feel a little like a boat in comparison. The new car is stiffer, but not too stiff for my taste.
I replaced the amber front lenses, and it looks much better.
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Let's not forget that if you plan on modding your car the possibilities with the new 5.5 TT is MUCH bigger than the outgoing 6.2.
6.2 Engine with ECU and long tube headers will push approximately 580 crank HP.
5.5 TT with an ECU and downpipes will be very close if not over 700 crank HP.
Ken
6.2 Engine with ECU and long tube headers will push approximately 580 crank HP.
5.5 TT with an ECU and downpipes will be very close if not over 700 crank HP.
Ken
