Anyone have 2010-2011 and 2012 e63?
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I have 2010 e63 and test drove the new 2012 e63 and I have to say the two cars feel surprisingly different. Apart from some detectable turbo lag on 2012 (not a big deal), the steering was much heavier and less feelsome. 2010 has one of the best steering feels on the market. Due to the change in the steering feel on the new car, it feels much heavier to drive and throw about than the older car.
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I have 2010 e63 and test drove the new 2012 e63 and I have to say the two cars feel surprisingly different. Apart from some detectable turbo lag on 2012 (not a big deal), the steering was much heavier and less feelsome. 2010 has one of the best steering feels on the market. Due to the change in the steering feel on the new car, it feels much heavier to drive and throw about than the older car.
I do not notice turbo lag in the new engine. What is very noticeable to me is the substantially greater torque. It does not come with noticeable turbo lag.
I think the steering on the new car feels much better than the old one. I do not remember the particulars on the new system, but I think it is speed sensitive. In my opinion, the steering on the new car feels much better.
My 2012 is much more tossable than my 2010, but part of this difference is likely from the Performance Package and its tighter suspension, and possibly the 19" wheels.
Just my $.02.
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i drive them all, fast and hard
well thats just cuz of the even more stiffer amg tuned suspension,
as vic stated that those settings probably one up the settings of the NON PP versions, for both the 6.2 cars and the TT 5.5 cars
i think, in my opinion that the non PP settings are fine as they give u enuf options , maybe if u want to track the car, the stiffer PP package would be ideal
as vic stated that those settings probably one up the settings of the NON PP versions, for both the 6.2 cars and the TT 5.5 cars
i think, in my opinion that the non PP settings are fine as they give u enuf options , maybe if u want to track the car, the stiffer PP package would be ideal
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Did you take delivery of your 2012?
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I love the steering feel in the PP of the 2012 CLS 63... yes it tightens up at higher speeds but thats clearly a subjective feel and a drivers preference. And this can be easily adjusted via the suspension button. With the shock light on two the steering tightens up the most. It does create for some understeer in big bend turns over 100 mph but this is most necessary while in tight slower turns the understeer is not as prevalent.
To me (my thoughts) is the steering is improved even over the 2010 (I have an E63). Suspension, Steering, chassis, etc all roll into together and the new mercs with the PP have done a great job on a 4000 lb plus car no doubt.
As for turbo lag, I agree with E63AMG (poster above), clearly its minimal. These cars are not sporting big turbos so the spool period is very small. It runs very similar to the GTR in lag feel. My PDK TT is amazing with the VTG's and this car spools relatively close to the P car. Now in contrast was my 2007 997TT with the tiptronic tranny--- the car would wait and them bam!!! explode. The lag was clearly there. Transmission plays a factor here and the MCT does a good job mitigating some of this. A DCT might even do a better job and I wish it was on our cars.
To me (my thoughts) is the steering is improved even over the 2010 (I have an E63). Suspension, Steering, chassis, etc all roll into together and the new mercs with the PP have done a great job on a 4000 lb plus car no doubt.
As for turbo lag, I agree with E63AMG (poster above), clearly its minimal. These cars are not sporting big turbos so the spool period is very small. It runs very similar to the GTR in lag feel. My PDK TT is amazing with the VTG's and this car spools relatively close to the P car. Now in contrast was my 2007 997TT with the tiptronic tranny--- the car would wait and them bam!!! explode. The lag was clearly there. Transmission plays a factor here and the MCT does a good job mitigating some of this. A DCT might even do a better job and I wish it was on our cars.
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When I was looking into ordering a C63 I ended up deciding the LSD option was not worth the money. You could get a better aftermarket unit put in for less if later on you decided you wanted an LSD. Not sure if the same applies to the E63 or not.
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yeah there is no doubt that is should be a standard feature, thats teh annoying bit cuz the m5 doesnt F u around, u get your 560HP and lsd, no questions asked.
for someone like me who has never experienced the diff in a lsd car vs a non lsd, comparable car, i dont know how it makes a difference or what i would feel, specifically
for someone like me who has never experienced the diff in a lsd car vs a non lsd, comparable car, i dont know how it makes a difference or what i would feel, specifically
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yeah there is no doubt that is should be a standard feature, thats teh annoying bit cuz the m5 doesnt F u around, u get your 560HP and lsd, no questions asked.
for someone like me who has never experienced the diff in a lsd car vs a non lsd, comparable car, i dont know how it makes a difference or what i would feel, specifically
for someone like me who has never experienced the diff in a lsd car vs a non lsd, comparable car, i dont know how it makes a difference or what i would feel, specifically
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From the non LSD AMG cars I drove it sure did not feel like it was peg legging from a stand still nor did the black lines on the asphalt. Just experienced that again yesterday in a C63 that did not have the LSD. Now in a turn under hard acceleration perhaps it is a completely different story and it peg legs then due to the non LSD diff design.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Just cannot bring myself to get too excited about the eco mode since isn't 60-70% (or something like that) of engine wear occur at starting up of an engine and grinding to a halt at stopping of the engine.
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While I agree that constant starts and stops of the engine are not great for them, I can't help but wonder what the actual life expectancy of the engines are. I bet it is far greater than any of the warranties offered on these and probably therefore so high that most owners on these forums would never get close to reaching. Guess what I am saying is I have a hard time worrying about it of I plan to get rid of the car at by 150-200k miles. Now what I would be worried about is how well the starter itself lasts with all that added use.
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Fuel economy and this Eco mode stuff are not the number 1 priority of anyone who buys a 500+ hp car. Its certainly not for me.
Having said that, I must say I have been impressed with how well Eco mode works when I have chosen to use it. I will sometimes leave it in Eco mode if I have kids in the car, or when the roads are wet, or when I am stuck in traffic anyway. I notice I am refillng my tank less frequently compared to my previous cars. Thats a time saver, with no loss of driving excitement.
I dont know exactly how it works, but when the car restarts, it does it so quickly its almost like it uses combustion, not a starter, to restart the car. Its instant. It seems to explode on.
I was not expecting to be impressed, but the systems seems to work really well. I would not worry about starter longevity.
Having said that, I must say I have been impressed with how well Eco mode works when I have chosen to use it. I will sometimes leave it in Eco mode if I have kids in the car, or when the roads are wet, or when I am stuck in traffic anyway. I notice I am refillng my tank less frequently compared to my previous cars. Thats a time saver, with no loss of driving excitement.
I dont know exactly how it works, but when the car restarts, it does it so quickly its almost like it uses combustion, not a starter, to restart the car. Its instant. It seems to explode on.
I was not expecting to be impressed, but the systems seems to work really well. I would not worry about starter longevity.
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I do not really care about fuel economy, heck I drive my truck more than anything else. I do care though how often I fill up a vehicle. I am probably one of the few people who actually looked ino the extended range tank option for the Panamera. I just hate wasting time at gas stations and since I drive 110-170 miles a day, I visit gas stations a lot.
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Fuel economy and this Eco mode stuff are not the number 1 priority of anyone who buys a 500+ hp car. Its certainly not for me.
Having said that, I must say I have been impressed with how well Eco mode works when I have chosen to use it. I will sometimes leave it in Eco mode if I have kids in the car, or when the roads are wet, or when I am stuck in traffic anyway. I notice I am refillng my tank less frequently compared to my previous cars. Thats a time saver, with no loss of driving excitement.
I dont know exactly how it works, but when the car restarts, it does it so quickly its almost like it uses combustion, not a starter, to restart the car. Its instant. It seems to explode on.
I was not expecting to be impressed, but the systems seems to work really well. I would not worry about starter longevity.
Having said that, I must say I have been impressed with how well Eco mode works when I have chosen to use it. I will sometimes leave it in Eco mode if I have kids in the car, or when the roads are wet, or when I am stuck in traffic anyway. I notice I am refillng my tank less frequently compared to my previous cars. Thats a time saver, with no loss of driving excitement.
I dont know exactly how it works, but when the car restarts, it does it so quickly its almost like it uses combustion, not a starter, to restart the car. Its instant. It seems to explode on.
I was not expecting to be impressed, but the systems seems to work really well. I would not worry about starter longevity.
Josh
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
It's a well-known fact that you can google and find on lots of websites. However, I don't remember the exact % but I do remember it's quite high.
Similar setup of on/off is used by quite a few car manufacturers. The wide spread use of it is at most a few years, so there is no way to tell the long term effect of it.
As above, I do agree most drivers of this type of car really don't mind about fuel economy. It's more the hassle of having to fuel up.
Similar setup of on/off is used by quite a few car manufacturers. The wide spread use of it is at most a few years, so there is no way to tell the long term effect of it.
As above, I do agree most drivers of this type of car really don't mind about fuel economy. It's more the hassle of having to fuel up.
