chris harris review
05-11-2012, 10:27 PM
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chris harris review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=FmO4iwZhp3c#!
interesting, chris talks about how much power amg has tried to get out of this engine, and mentions its the crank case that explodes at too much power, (however much that is)
so the S, CL and SL versions of the PP have around 560hp/660lbft, nice
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interesting, chris talks about how much power amg has tried to get out of this engine, and mentions its the crank case that explodes at too much power, (however much that is)
so the S, CL and SL versions of the PP have around 560hp/660lbft, nice
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05-12-2012, 04:12 PM
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It's funny to read about this since I just watched that video this AM. It's kind of a scary thought about what will happen if one over-tunes the engine--one might end up with an extremely heavy paperweight sitting in the garage.
05-14-2012, 08:32 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=FmO4iwZhp3c#!
doesnt seem to be working,use to embed with just the link
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05-14-2012, 01:40 PM
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Hmm, I see what it means. Heard that term all the time but really didn't know what it was. I have no idea--I don't even know how to insert pictures.
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05-15-2012, 02:51 PM
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I always wonder how manufacturers decide when a certain tune is enough. I figure they kind of take into account how much the engine can handle and how reliable it is going to be in order to arrive at the conclusion. Obviously, more impressive specs always look better when compared to competitors' cars but they always stay below the gain achieved by aftermarket tuners.
I'm sure AMG or Bimmer M has the expertise and capability to tune just like all those aftermarket tuners. In fact, they are in a better position especially when they are the ones who designed and built the engine and know the in's and out's of a specific engine. Certainly no tuners out there will have as much equipment, access to various expertise, and backing of a large company, ie Diamler. Most of the time, outside tuners have little other than a dynamometer to gauge the result. Of course, AMG was originally formed by two engineers from MB, but I'm sure they are now doing even better especially after they merge with MB and now has the backing of the entire MB.
In fact, engine builders have so much info on a given engine that some of the info get used in lawsuits like the one on M156 which alleged that MB knew about the specific less-ideal metallurgy of a certain part, which led to premature wear. Obviously, no tuners out there is going to know and care about specifics of an engine to that extent.
Of course, I still don't get how S63 and SL63 > E63 > C63 in hp and tq. Likely it's just for marketing purpose as mentioned; or intentionally detuned for marketing purpose. Ideally, the P30 specs should just be standard on cars like these. But of course, it's used to add additional profit on those vehicles.
I guess all it comes down to is, one just needs to have the "pay to play" mentality when it comes to aftermarket tuning as Vic had mentioned. Afterall, when the engine goes kaboom with overtuning, or as the transmission goes kaput with too much tq from the engine, you are on your own.
I'm sure AMG or Bimmer M has the expertise and capability to tune just like all those aftermarket tuners. In fact, they are in a better position especially when they are the ones who designed and built the engine and know the in's and out's of a specific engine. Certainly no tuners out there will have as much equipment, access to various expertise, and backing of a large company, ie Diamler. Most of the time, outside tuners have little other than a dynamometer to gauge the result. Of course, AMG was originally formed by two engineers from MB, but I'm sure they are now doing even better especially after they merge with MB and now has the backing of the entire MB.
In fact, engine builders have so much info on a given engine that some of the info get used in lawsuits like the one on M156 which alleged that MB knew about the specific less-ideal metallurgy of a certain part, which led to premature wear. Obviously, no tuners out there is going to know and care about specifics of an engine to that extent.
Of course, I still don't get how S63 and SL63 > E63 > C63 in hp and tq. Likely it's just for marketing purpose as mentioned; or intentionally detuned for marketing purpose. Ideally, the P30 specs should just be standard on cars like these. But of course, it's used to add additional profit on those vehicles.
I guess all it comes down to is, one just needs to have the "pay to play" mentality when it comes to aftermarket tuning as Vic had mentioned. Afterall, when the engine goes kaboom with overtuning, or as the transmission goes kaput with too much tq from the engine, you are on your own.
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I have to say that on some cars the engineering allows for much more "pushing of the envelope". For me this is easily associated with my Porsche Turbo resume. I have had 3 of them: 996TT, 997.1TT, and 997.2TT and all were modded. The 996 being the most with upgraded turbos, ecu, exhaust, etc and the current variation the least with ECU and exhaust only.
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
05-16-2012, 11:42 PM
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I guess Porsche is really playing it safe and leaving lots of potential in their engines. I guess that might be the reason why Porsche is considered the most reliable German marque by many consumer magazines based on problem data.
Speaking of tuning. I saw this thing today by German Special Customs for the CLS63. So I figure it can also be done for the E63. So they've equipped it with larger turbochargers, an additional water cooler, and a sports exhaust system.
So now the insane figure is: 750 PS (552 kW / 740 hp) and 1,150 Nm (848 lb-ft) of torque compared to the standard 557 PS (410 kW / 550 bhp) and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft). Thus 0-100 km/h in 3.7 seconds and a top speed of approximately 350 km/h (217 mph).
Let me tell ya again. It's really gonna be a matter of time before somebody's engine goes kaboom. Actually, it might be the transmission that explodes first since remember that MB has to fit the S65 with that antique 5-speed transmission because the 7-speed MCT cannot handle that much torque. Now look at that torque figure above--110 lb-ft higher than S65's 738 lb-ft! One of these days...I tell ya.
05-23-2012, 03:38 AM
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I have to say that on some cars the engineering allows for much more "pushing of the envelope". For me this is easily associated with my Porsche Turbo resume. I have had 3 of them: 996TT, 997.1TT, and 997.2TT and all were modded. The 996 being the most with upgraded turbos, ecu, exhaust, etc and the current variation the least with ECU and exhaust only.
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
05-23-2012, 06:56 PM
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haha, like CH, he has a funny way of describing things, and all those different verbs the English use are always great
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That's pretty cool. I never imagined the guys at AMG pushing it and pushing "just to see what kinda hp they can get out of it". Stupid of me. They are men just like us.
Woudn't we all say, "Hey when the boss goes home, let's try to get 1000hp out of this thing!!"
Thanks for the link!
Woudn't we all say, "Hey when the boss goes home, let's try to get 1000hp out of this thing!!"
Thanks for the link!
05-28-2012, 04:58 PM
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Like I had mentioned, just because the motor can crank out the power doesn't mean the transmission can handle it.
05-29-2012, 12:13 AM
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They were engines Hanz Mezger built for Porsche originally for the GT1 race cars but the 996 & 997 GT3 / RS / 996TT / 997.1 TT / GT2 use the same block. Its one of the strongest engines Porsche has built.
The current 997.2 TT does not use the Mezger engine.
The current 997.2 TT does not use the Mezger engine.
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I guess Porsche is really playing it safe and leaving lots of potential in their engines. I guess that might be the reason why Porsche is considered the most reliable German marque by many consumer magazines based on problem data.
Speaking of tuning. I saw this thing today by German Special Customs for the CLS63. So I figure it can also be done for the E63. So they've equipped it with larger turbochargers, an additional water cooler, and a sports exhaust system.
So now the insane figure is: 750 PS (552 kW / 740 hp) and 1,150 Nm (848 lb-ft) of torque compared to the standard 557 PS (410 kW / 550 bhp) and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft). Thus 0-100 km/h in 3.7 seconds and a top speed of approximately 350 km/h (217 mph).
Let me tell ya again. It's really gonna be a matter of time before somebody's engine goes kaboom. Actually, it might be the transmission that explodes first since remember that MB has to fit the S65 with that antique 5-speed transmission because the 7-speed MCT cannot handle that much torque. Now look at that torque figure above--110 lb-ft higher than S65's 738 lb-ft! One of these days...I tell ya.
Even mighty Brabus in their EV12 W212 limits the torque to 811 lb-ft, on the grounds that the 7-speed gearbox cannot handle that much power. It is all fun with those big numbers but what sense does it make if all that torque cannot be safely used by the gearbox. Now, if you send your g-box to these guys... http://www.weistec.com/7229built.html
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I have to say that on some cars the engineering allows for much more "pushing of the envelope". For me this is easily associated with my Porsche Turbo resume. I have had 3 of them: 996TT, 997.1TT, and 997.2TT and all were modded. The 996 being the most with upgraded turbos, ecu, exhaust, etc and the current variation the least with ECU and exhaust only.
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
Those damn Porsche cars can really endure mods- at least in my case and I drove/drive them hard.
But with Benzes I havent been so lucky thus my "pay to play" comment.
My 2004 E55 was modded but left me on the side of the road 3 times in its 3 year existence. Each time it was because of the aftermarket pulley shredding the belt and while I was pissed I had the mentality that I put this on my self. Dont get me wrong, I still love this car but Ive never loved a car more than my Pcars...
