The Merc might not be stock.

And the BMW is definitely not being shown the whip by its driver.

 

Not surprised E63 S won in ET. That is consistent with all car mag tests. But the M6's trap speed at 120 is very slow. Based on the video the car had major traction issues getting off the line.

Not sure if the E63 S was modded. 11.3 is faster than stock which Motor Trend clocked at 11.6 seconds in the quarter mile. But 11.3 is considerably slower than the 10.9-11 second range that the E63 S's with AMS or Renntech full tune do the quarter in.

 

common issue with the M5/M6 I'm afraid

 

As someone who comes out of the BMW world I can tell you that lack of low-speed traction while under power certainly is a significant issue in the current M5/M6 and even a bigger issue in the current M3 and M4.

My friends who have modded their current M5/M6/M6GCs with the piggyback tunes (unlike our cars, no US tuner has been able to crack the encryption on the BMW ECU meaning no flash tunes and all piggyback tunes) all report that there is very little traction in the first few gears and that it is scary sometimes and that you really have to baby the throttle to not have the traction control light come on and pier cut.

This was one of the main reasons that I went away from BMW (would have gotten the M5 CP) and went to the all-wheel-drive traction of the E63 S for my next car. To me, once you're over the 500 hp mark, all-wheel-drive is a requirement for daily drivability as well as for extracting maximum acceleration performance from a stop.

Some people enjoy the challenge of being able to expertly launch their high horsepower rear wheel drive car. That might be fun on the racetrack but I don't want that for daily use.

 

Very interesting. The vids I've seen of the new m3/4 at the drag strip show them hooking up very well... Now I know this is good driving and not easy to achieve

I have yet to hear any of my 63's wheels squeal and I don't miss that from previous rear drive cars I've driven... It just moves

 

Actually one recent major car magazine (Road and Track's 2015 Performance Car of the Year) panned the M3 for having inadequate traction at lower speeds and that it can be flat out scary to apply full power at lower speeds.

Road and Track wrote:

Winner: Porsche 911 GT3

The new F80 M3 was in the running.

"If, as some pundits charge, the M3's become a German answer to the Pontiac Trans Am, this is surely Munich's take on the rip-snorting, 400-cube, screaming-chicken variant used by the Bandit almost 40 years ago. It's a muscle car par excellence, warping the trees around its head-up display with what feels like an unlimited reserve of force."

"But is it too quick? Senior Editor Jason Cammisa thinks so. 'This car is nauseatingly fast. It's also unacceptably traction-compromised. Reducing torque output by 150 lb-ft would do wonders here.' He might be right. This car requires rheostat-precise use of the throttle to avoid unpredictable yaw. Or you can just leave the BMW's electronic nannies on, which might be smarter. Two or three generations ago, the M3 gave up on the idea of being the perfect modern 2002tii and decided instead to focus on power and track pace. If that's what you want, it's all here."

"The M3 is the only car to actually scare me at the Motown Mile. Going around the fast final turn, the torque spikes and sends me into a long, lazy, 100-mph slide that I don't recover until well down the front straight. Forget this being a German Trans Am; it's a German Corvette. 'This car is nightmarish to control under power,' concurs Cammisa. 'It's so much work, and there's no joy to be had as a result.' Having driven the M3 before, on a larger track, I suggest that it needs a bigger venue to shine. Cammisa agrees."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...ar-of-the-year

The traction concern is echoed pretty loudly on the M3 section on Bimmerfest as a common complaint of owners. One owner even got rid of his M3 and went to in an M5 (member DerStig) because of the concern.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8690602

That being said I have beaten up M3s for two different days recently at the BMW car control clinic and did not see the problem.

 

Not surprising.

 

quote: I have yet to hear any of my 63's wheels squeal and I don't miss that from previous rear drive cars I've driven... It just moves ...


That is one thing that sometimes misleads people about this car, People think because it is awd that the tires won't spin and the car won't get out of place. In a straight line, yes, the thing hooks like a beast but in a fast turn under power these things will get all sideways, I do it all the time. Definitely not as aggressive as a rwd car because the front will pull you back in, but its cool to throw the *** end out in it. It does this because of the percentage of front to rear power transfer, less power to the front then a lot of other awd cars..
That E in the video is definitely not stock, but (like others said) with a tune it should be faster. I would love to know what mods are done to it.

 

+1 Well said

 

Just read this earlier today...

http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1061855

 

AWD vs RWD... nothing new here.
That E63 might have a "middle" tune

 

The driver reports that he turned DSC off while driving on the street. He says his car went into a slide when he took off from a stop while making a left turn with DSC off and could not recover from the slide in time because his foot slipped on an all weather floor mat. Car was a brand new M6 GC that the owner had for just 12 days.

Turning DSC off while driving on a public road is not a smart idea with a 600 plus Bhp RWD car. And not nearly the first time this has happened as a result of turning DSC off in a high horsepower RWD car. Another reminder why I avoided the RWD only M5 and got the AWD E63 S.

 

Maybe he has 'dumbass' forgiveness on his insurance plan.

 

LOLOLOL

Unfortunately that just means that the responsible drivers who are also insured by the same carrier pay the price through higher premiums. LOL