Competition: 2016 Cadillac CTS-V - 640hp/630 tq
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The handling of the car on a well prepped track which it would be if you are auto-xing is not going to make a difference.
AWD just allows average or bad drivers to drive better. If you take 2 skilled drivers and put 1 in a GTR and 1 in a Vette... the awd is negligible.
From a highway roll - AWD actually hurts...
The only thing AWD is good for is 0-60 and it helps in the 1/4 mile because of traction.
It also allows people in northern climates to drive year round.
I like awd...Even if the CTS-V is a bit quicker, I like the looks and awd of the E63.
However, GM giving it 640 hp is great. It will likely up all the competition.
AWD just allows average or bad drivers to drive better. If you take 2 skilled drivers and put 1 in a GTR and 1 in a Vette... the awd is negligible.
From a highway roll - AWD actually hurts...
The only thing AWD is good for is 0-60 and it helps in the 1/4 mile because of traction.
It also allows people in northern climates to drive year round.
I like awd...Even if the CTS-V is a bit quicker, I like the looks and awd of the E63.
However, GM giving it 640 hp is great. It will likely up all the competition.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
It's too bad that the Daimler-Renault/Nissan venture wouldn't allow AMG to utilize the technology from Nissan's ATTESA E-TS Pro with the variable split from 50:50 to biased 0:100 so you can have the best of both worlds in terms of fun and practicality. To keep up with the competition using a 4.0L engine for the next E63, AMG really needs to work on the transmission and perhaps combining the ATTESA and DCT as found in the GTR.
Unfortunately, there is no replacement for displacement. That supercharged 6.2 in the CTS-V sure is enticing. Luckily GM chooses supercharging instead of turbocharging--the sound and the displacement...yummy.
Unfortunately, there is no replacement for displacement. That supercharged 6.2 in the CTS-V sure is enticing. Luckily GM chooses supercharging instead of turbocharging--the sound and the displacement...yummy.
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You guys are forgetting that the M157 is very underrated. Motor Trend estimates that it is really making 630+hp based on the dyno numbers they pulled. 1/4 mile times tell the same story.
The W213 will likely lose some weight like the W205 and that will make a difference. Maybe not on top speed runs, but certainly for DD.
My bet is that the W213 will see 600+ hp. The W205 C63S is already at 500.
The W213 will likely lose some weight like the W205 and that will make a difference. Maybe not on top speed runs, but certainly for DD.
My bet is that the W213 will see 600+ hp. The W205 C63S is already at 500.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
True. The current M157 is great, but it's not going into the W213. There is only so much that can be squeezed out of a 4.0L. If GM had gone to a TT for the CTS-V, the power difference between that and the E63 will be way greater. I applaud their decision on choosing supercharging despite the lower psi. Pleasure of driving is not only based on power. Acoustic is a major part of the entire experience.
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My bet is 710 hp out of the 4.0L at the very least. Isn't it two 2.0L CLA45 motors stuck together? 355hp out of a 2.0L currently.
True. The current M157 is great, but it's not going into the W213. There is only so much that can be squeezed out of a 4.0L. If GM had gone to a TT for the CTS-V, the power difference between that and the E63 will be way greater. I applaud their decision on choosing supercharging despite the lower psi. Pleasure of driving is not only based on power. Acoustic is a major part of the entire experience.
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Whoever makes the best product will get my business. If the time came where I thought Cadillac made a better product, I'd buy one. I'm not brand loyal, I want the best product for my dollar.
Given the weather where I am, a RWD car won't be in my garage anytime soon.
Given the weather where I am, a RWD car won't be in my garage anytime soon.
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