13 E63 vs 15 Vette Z51
09-01-2015, 10:50 AM
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lol, are you kidding?
for cryin out loud i destroyed camaro Zl1's and even modified ZL1's with 700 hp in my STOCK cls63...
have you ever watched any of the videos of tuned cls's and especially ones with upgraded turbos? in order for a modded ctsv to take a fully modded E63/CLS63, it would need a good 150 hp advantage.
it takes $20,000 in upgrades to take the ctsv to 700 hp. (Hennessy). to get it to 1000 hp, which is what it would take to beat a fully modded e63, would take im guessing at least another $25K and at that point the ctsv is well above the price of the e63, stock OR modded.
stock for stock the e63 murders the ctsv, and modded vs modded it is the same or even worse for the cts v... since 1, they make less power even though they have a bigger engine, and 2. E63 has "2: turbos where ctsv can only have 1 supercharger.
HP for hp the 63 will always pull on a ctsv
for cryin out loud i destroyed camaro Zl1's and even modified ZL1's with 700 hp in my STOCK cls63...
have you ever watched any of the videos of tuned cls's and especially ones with upgraded turbos? in order for a modded ctsv to take a fully modded E63/CLS63, it would need a good 150 hp advantage.
it takes $20,000 in upgrades to take the ctsv to 700 hp. (Hennessy). to get it to 1000 hp, which is what it would take to beat a fully modded e63, would take im guessing at least another $25K and at that point the ctsv is well above the price of the e63, stock OR modded.
stock for stock the e63 murders the ctsv, and modded vs modded it is the same or even worse for the cts v... since 1, they make less power even though they have a bigger engine, and 2. E63 has "2: turbos where ctsv can only have 1 supercharger.
HP for hp the 63 will always pull on a ctsv
On average it cost about $3500.00 to get an ECU tune from either Weistec or ReNNtech. You can get a second gen CTS-V very close to 700BHP for this amount with these safe reliable mods with installation and you can exceed it for another $1500.00 invested. A CTS-V on 93 with $3500.00 invested and drag radials can run anywhere between 10.8-11.3 @ 126mph. Also, it would take nowhere near 1000bhp to beat a full bolt-on M157. Don’t get me wrong a full bolt on M157 is a bad *****, but so is a CTS-V with less money invested. Full bolt-on CTS-Vs trap anywhere from 135-142mph. You start throwing in stroked engines and the sky is the limit.
Note: These prices are cheaper for those who can do the work themselves.
Stock for Stock a bi-turbo E63 should beat a CTS-V not murder it. The RWD CLS/E63’s trap about 120-122 and the CTS-V sedan/coupe traps about 117-119. Now a stock AWD M157 should kill a stock CTS-V from a dig, but it won’t humiliate it too much from a rolling speed. Also, as stated earlier in this thread modified M157s make significantly more torque than the LSA due to being turbocharged, but the overall Horsepower is not that much less and the CTS-Vs are just as fast with less. Furthermore, the horsepower on the LSA can be increased beyond your basic tune, downpipe, filter mods because there are a plethora of mods that can be done to the engine that is not possible yet on the M157 without someone having full control of the ECU.
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09-01-2015, 11:31 AM
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Make no mistake, you're the one that's clueless.
Another dude stating stating a bunch of **** he heard on the Internet and taking it as Gospel. I'm telling you I've seen dozens of these and they run **** at the track. These examples your seeing of 10's and 9's are 1 in a thousand. Can it be done? Yeah sure. But Go to a drag strip once in a while and tell me how often you see it. you'll see what I'm talking about.
Another dude stating stating a bunch of **** he heard on the Internet and taking it as Gospel. I'm telling you I've seen dozens of these and they run **** at the track. These examples your seeing of 10's and 9's are 1 in a thousand. Can it be done? Yeah sure. But Go to a drag strip once in a while and tell me how often you see it. you'll see what I'm talking about.
09-01-2015, 11:52 AM
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2016 AMG S65, AMG GL63, 2012 AMG E63 With AMS Alpha 9 Package, Renntech 200 Catted Downpipes.
Off topic. I notice your in Edmonton. I use to work with ( not for ) a Edmonton base retailer, The Brick and their buying office in Shanghai. Just saying.
09-01-2015, 01:30 PM
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09-01-2015, 03:29 PM
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09-01-2015, 04:18 PM
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The one where I run an LX in the 10.25 bracket class at times for Mopar Nationals or the reality of knowing and seeing the HC that ran the 10.4@132 this past weekend? She happens to live about 15 minutes from me.
The 202MPH is a magazine stat, hence the "supposed" in my statement.
And to add, the Hellcat in question is owned and driven by 59 y/o woman.
Any other questions i can answer for you?
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Vid from a month ago. It now has an upper pulley I believe.
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09-01-2015, 04:36 PM
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Make no mistake, you're the one that's clueless.
Another dude stating stating a bunch of **** he heard on the Internet and taking it as Gospel. I'm telling you I've seen dozens of these and they run **** at the track. These examples your seeing of 10's and 9's are 1 in a thousand. Can it be done? Yeah sure. But Go to a drag strip once in a while and tell me how often you see it. you'll see what I'm talking about.
Another dude stating stating a bunch of **** he heard on the Internet and taking it as Gospel. I'm telling you I've seen dozens of these and they run **** at the track. These examples your seeing of 10's and 9's are 1 in a thousand. Can it be done? Yeah sure. But Go to a drag strip once in a while and tell me how often you see it. you'll see what I'm talking about.
Bunch of **** ..lol
Sounds like you run into a whole lot of amateurs with 6-pds on TNT night and you believe that to be the norm.
My wife could pilot an auto Hellcat to a low 11 second run.
Brake, green, go, from 2nd gear. Yes, it's that easy.
Shame you cant seem to find any decent drivers around you.
And considering tuning has been available for only about 4 months, my guess you'll see a 9 second pass this October in the NE.
Be sure to post up when you get your MB into the 10's, let alone 9's.
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09-01-2015, 05:26 PM
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This is my philosophy on cars. No matter how fast you tune it. There will always always be someone faster. This guy got 6.52 on the Quarter mile. Am I going to try to beat that. Heck no. I do want my E63 fast, but not to a point that it is dangerous to drive on the streets where it'll only see day of light. I tuned my with a simple goal that I don't want to be the same as the next AMG. I just want to be a little faster.
Pretty cool video. Enjoy.
Pretty cool video. Enjoy.
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09-01-2015, 09:28 PM
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Only a clueless idiot with deep pockets would pay 20K for a 700hp Hennessey package. The vast majority of modified CTS-Vs, ZL1s and the like know their best bet is to take their car to a regional qualified tuner and engine builder/installer (They are plentiful in America for the LS engine) with an in-house dyno for getting the car dialed in perfectly for whatever modifications are done to the car.
On average it cost about $3500.00 to get an ECU tune from either Weistec or ReNNtech. You can get a second gen CTS-V very close to 700BHP for this amount with these safe reliable mods with installation and you can exceed it for another $1500.00 invested. A CTS-V on 93 with $3500.00 invested and drag radials can run anywhere between 10.8-11.3 @ 126mph. Also, it would take nowhere near 1000bhp to beat a full bolt-on M157. Don’t get me wrong a full bolt on M157 is a bad *****, but so is a CTS-V with less money invested.
On average it cost about $3500.00 to get an ECU tune from either Weistec or ReNNtech. You can get a second gen CTS-V very close to 700BHP for this amount with these safe reliable mods with installation and you can exceed it for another $1500.00 invested. A CTS-V on 93 with $3500.00 invested and drag radials can run anywhere between 10.8-11.3 @ 126mph. Also, it would take nowhere near 1000bhp to beat a full bolt-on M157. Don’t get me wrong a full bolt on M157 is a bad *****, but so is a CTS-V with less money invested.
$3500 to get a ctsv to 700 hp? yeah sure, and watch it blow up or catch fire halfway down the track.
ive seen a few vids of it happening... and seen it in person... happens all the time these highly built gm motors breaking down halfway down the track.
and you think a ctsv with less than 1000 hp can beat a full bolt on e63 (900 hp) ?
id like to see the video.
and lets put aside 1/4 mile stuff here for a bit. thats not all im referring to. since its all about traction. roll races are what shows the true power.
of course you have a ctsv so your word is biased.
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09-01-2015, 10:24 PM
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$3500 to get a ctsv to 700 hp? yeah sure, and watch it blow up or catch fire halfway down the track.
ive seen a few vids of it happening... and seen it in person... happens all the time these highly built gm motors breaking down halfway down the track.
and you think a ctsv with less than 1000 hp can beat a full bolt on e63 (900 hp) ?
id like to see the video.
and lets put aside 1/4 mile stuff here for a bit. thats not all im referring to. since its all about traction. roll races are what shows the true power.
of course you have a ctsv so your word is biased.
ive seen a few vids of it happening... and seen it in person... happens all the time these highly built gm motors breaking down halfway down the track.
and you think a ctsv with less than 1000 hp can beat a full bolt on e63 (900 hp) ?
id like to see the video.
and lets put aside 1/4 mile stuff here for a bit. thats not all im referring to. since its all about traction. roll races are what shows the true power.
of course you have a ctsv so your word is biased.
09-01-2015, 11:29 PM
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You want roll races? Browse these results from August, but you're not gonna like them .
The three HC that participated were stock.
http://racerunway.azurewebsites.net/...ml#leaderboard
And btw, the 140mph nos HC I referred to earlier, it's the old lady's above husband. ~$3k in mods.
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09-02-2015, 02:43 AM
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theres no lack of logic. theyre comments based on evidence that i have seen in real life. you cannot disprove any of it, because you dont know what i have seen. thus you have to resort to "claiming" im an idiot.
09-02-2015, 02:57 AM
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we hear that said a lot on the internet so i can understand why you would repeat it here.
do you think if you get a perfect launch(good traction) vs a poor one your trap speed is not going to be higher?
09-02-2015, 08:52 AM
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Just so we are clear, you do know a poor launch will probably result in a higher trap speed if all other things stay the same?
And by higher, we are talking maybe 1 or 1.5 mph, for most cars under 125mph.
Again, a documented and measured drag strip run will tell you everything you need to know about how much power a car makes.
When you tweak a tune to add some hp, or whatever mod you do, you don't set up a roll race, you go to the track... for a reason.
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09-02-2015, 02:42 PM
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I can't believe we are going to argue this ... But I can believe it.
Just so we are clear, you do know a poor launch will probably result in a higher trap speed if all other things stay the same?
And by higher, we are talking maybe 1 or 1.5 mph, for most cars under 125mph.
Again, a documented and measured drag strip run will tell you everything you need to know about how muchgI'm power a car makes.
When you tweak a tune to add some hp, or whatever mod you do, you don't set up a roll race, you go to the track... for a reason.
Just so we are clear, you do know a poor launch will probably result in a higher trap speed if all other things stay the same?
And by higher, we are talking maybe 1 or 1.5 mph, for most cars under 125mph.
Again, a documented and measured drag strip run will tell you everything you need to know about how muchgI'm power a car makes.
When you tweak a tune to add some hp, or whatever mod you do, you don't set up a roll race, you go to the track... for a reason.
09-02-2015, 03:03 PM
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As a one-time CTS-V owner I wouldn't knock the CTS-V too much. It is a smaller car with a much more aggressive purpose and was also available in a manual. Do I prefer my E63 wagon? Of course. But it also breaks 3-4 times as often. I never had a single warranty item in the CTS-V in 50k miles and in the E63 I've had tires, shocks, air suspension, headlights, air hoses, and other things I can't remember (at least $15k in total) replaced under warranty before 40k miles.
No, the interior is not up to E-class standards, but for what was $68k new out the door for 550hp and an amazingly reliable and mechanically simple powertrain, you guys shouldn't knock it.
No, a $68k Cadillac was not the same as a $100k Mercedes. But the Mercedes has a pretty crappy interior compared to a $200k Porsche. which lacks in comparison to a (blah blah blah etc etc etc).
No, the interior is not up to E-class standards, but for what was $68k new out the door for 550hp and an amazingly reliable and mechanically simple powertrain, you guys shouldn't knock it.
No, a $68k Cadillac was not the same as a $100k Mercedes. But the Mercedes has a pretty crappy interior compared to a $200k Porsche. which lacks in comparison to a (blah blah blah etc etc etc).
There are plenty of Auto CTSV's in the 9 second et range and even more in the 10 second range. I do love AMG too, it just umfair to compare the two since they are like comparing apples to oranges.
09-02-2015, 03:11 PM
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Mike, this mainly dbag is an obvious troll. It's clear he's never raced and spent any time analyzing runs or had any experience modding cars if he thinks it takes Hennessy or $20k to get a CTS-V up to an easy 700hp. He does make me laugh though so there is a bright side!
I determined he was a guy who may have been to a few TNT nights and is a now a drag racing expert after his second post in this thread.
$20k and unreliable to make a 700whp ctsv...lol.. I thought that was a good one too.
09-02-2015, 03:39 PM
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I can't believe we are going to argue this ... But I can believe it.
Just so we are clear, you do know a poor launch will probably result in a higher trap speed if all other things stay the same?
And by higher, we are talking maybe 1 or 1.5 mph, for most cars under 125mph.
Just so we are clear, you do know a poor launch will probably result in a higher trap speed if all other things stay the same?
And by higher, we are talking maybe 1 or 1.5 mph, for most cars under 125mph.
GL450 owner mike, youre incorrect about this.
this is a common misconception... but research it if you like, im not going to bother trying to educate you anymore.
edit;
actually looks like i dont have to, someone else already has..
here you go, happy reading buddy;
http://www.w8ji.com/tire_spin_and_mph_myth.htm
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09-02-2015, 03:49 PM
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That's great, I've never read that before... Lol
Only problem is, the 8th grade professor's theory assumes a fixed distance of spin or no spin. I'm sure it took you a total of five seconds to find something that agreed with what you were saying.
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