Why is m5 faster that e63s
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Classic DCT is OVERRATED BTW and the MB Speedshift MCT proves it in the numbers the E63 S puts down. Everybody says it's old, it sucks, it's this, and it's that, but then the numbers makes everyone look very stupid. While the MCT isn't a classic DCT, it's most certainly performing dual clutch shifting.
Just saying, another pet peeve of mine. DCT this and DCT that. The MCT tranny is one of the best transmissions in the world and yet we complain like it blows when it's actually a technological marvel.
Just saying, another pet peeve of mine. DCT this and DCT that. The MCT tranny is one of the best transmissions in the world and yet we complain like it blows when it's actually a technological marvel.
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Classic DCT is OVERRATED BTW and the MB Speedshift MCT proves it in the numbers the E63 S puts down. Everybody says it's old, it sucks, it's this, and it's that, but then the numbers makes everyone look very stupid. While the MCT isn't a classic DCT, it's most certainly performing dual clutch shifting.
Just saying, another pet peeve of mine. DCT this and DCT that. The MCT tranny is one of the best transmissions in the world and yet we complain like it blows when it's actually a technological marvel.
Just saying, another pet peeve of mine. DCT this and DCT that. The MCT tranny is one of the best transmissions in the world and yet we complain like it blows when it's actually a technological marvel.
Whose complaining about anything? I gave him more considerations about why one car would be "faster"
Please give us a list of pet peeves of yours for us to avoid
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Some more complete data:
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888938
I am aware that the 2-2.5% decline is advantageous, but I test all my cars on the same private road. That is why I need to wait until the weather cools to test the E63 S. I have no doubt it will run sub-9s 60-130mph with just the drop-in filters. But I am not sure it will post a better time than the M5. But there are a number of other reasons why I went with the E63 S over the M5. They are both great cars and each has its strong suit (and I am 1000% in agreement with Cliff Jumper on his points on the DCT vs MCT).
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888938
I am aware that the 2-2.5% decline is advantageous, but I test all my cars on the same private road. That is why I need to wait until the weather cools to test the E63 S. I have no doubt it will run sub-9s 60-130mph with just the drop-in filters. But I am not sure it will post a better time than the M5. But there are a number of other reasons why I went with the E63 S over the M5. They are both great cars and each has its strong suit (and I am 1000% in agreement with Cliff Jumper on his points on the DCT vs MCT).
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I thought I posted it some place:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f10...ml#post3757449
7.34s 100-200kph on the 8.57s 60-130mph run.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f10...ml#post3757449
7.34s 100-200kph on the 8.57s 60-130mph run.
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I thought I posted it some place:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f10...ml#post3757449
7.34s 100-200kph on the 8.57s 60-130mph run.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f10...ml#post3757449
7.34s 100-200kph on the 8.57s 60-130mph run.
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The only mods were K&N drop-in filters and Supersprint Mufflers...that is it. Then again I also ran on a cool fall morning here in Maryland so it may not be directly comparable to the conditions you ran under.
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I think the main point that let M5 roll champ is "-"the higher diff. Ratio"-",
MB always put lower diff. for traction & top speed range, but that will NOT help to be faster in mid Roll,,!?!
M5 got "3.15" Ratio, which typically quicker in Roll, this is the main trick that BMW using in their cars, to make them faster than others..!
{.."E63 2.65 VS M5 3.15"..}
,,ZAYED,,
MB always put lower diff. for traction & top speed range, but that will NOT help to be faster in mid Roll,,!?!
M5 got "3.15" Ratio, which typically quicker in Roll, this is the main trick that BMW using in their cars, to make them faster than others..!
{.."E63 2.65 VS M5 3.15"..}
,,ZAYED,,
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I did this just now , not stock though
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I think the main point that let M5 roll champ is "-"the higher diff. Ratio"-",
MB always put lower diff. for traction & top speed range, but that will NOT help to be faster in mid Roll,,!?!
M5 got "3.15" Ratio, which typically quicker in Roll, this is the main trick that BMW using in their cars, to make them faster than others..!
{.."E63 2.65 VS M5 3.15"..}
,,ZAYED,,
MB always put lower diff. for traction & top speed range, but that will NOT help to be faster in mid Roll,,!?!
M5 got "3.15" Ratio, which typically quicker in Roll, this is the main trick that BMW using in their cars, to make them faster than others..!
{.."E63 2.65 VS M5 3.15"..}
,,ZAYED,,
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5.9s 100-200kph is REALLY fast. I have an old spreadsheet here at work with some of my old cars 60-130mph and 100-200 kph times. My FBO GT-R (intakes, turbo inlets, full catless exhaust) on 93 octane tune did a 60-130mph in 7.04s with a 100-200kph time of 6.04s.
BTW, you should put the SD card in your vbox to log the runs.
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The M5 would not be replicating a 7.34s 60-130mph in those conditions.
5.9s 100-200kph is REALLY fast. I have an old spreadsheet here at work with some of my old cars 60-130mph and 100-200 kph times. My FBO GT-R (intakes, turbo inlets, full catless exhaust) on 93 octane tune did a 60-130mph in 7.04s with a 100-200kph time of 6.04s.
BTW, you should put the SD card in your vbox to log the runs.
5.9s 100-200kph is REALLY fast. I have an old spreadsheet here at work with some of my old cars 60-130mph and 100-200 kph times. My FBO GT-R (intakes, turbo inlets, full catless exhaust) on 93 octane tune did a 60-130mph in 7.04s with a 100-200kph time of 6.04s.
BTW, you should put the SD card in your vbox to log the runs.
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Some more complete data:
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888938
I am aware that the 2-2.5% decline is advantageous, but I test all my cars on the same private road. That is why I need to wait until the weather cools to test the E63 S. I have no doubt it will run sub-9s 60-130mph with just the drop-in filters. But I am not sure it will post a better time than the M5. But there are a number of other reasons why I went with the E63 S over the M5. They are both great cars and each has its strong suit (and I am 1000% in agreement with Cliff Jumper on his points on the DCT vs MCT).
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=888938
I am aware that the 2-2.5% decline is advantageous, but I test all my cars on the same private road. That is why I need to wait until the weather cools to test the E63 S. I have no doubt it will run sub-9s 60-130mph with just the drop-in filters. But I am not sure it will post a better time than the M5. But there are a number of other reasons why I went with the E63 S over the M5. They are both great cars and each has its strong suit (and I am 1000% in agreement with Cliff Jumper on his points on the DCT vs MCT).
People might think Im trolling but Im not
I prefer everything about the e63 vs the m5. Im not a big fan of how the m5 sounds and honestly thats a big deal.. Looks can be subjective, speed is a factor that can be altered but the sound is a whole experience that you cannot change 
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http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...specs-page-5-2
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-e63-amg-1.pdf
Maybe the same explanation as to why the heavier M6 GC with supposedly same HP and powertrain is quicker than the M5.
http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-e63-amg-1.pdf
Maybe the same explanation as to why the heavier M6 GC with supposedly same HP and powertrain is quicker than the M5.
Some more data for you to analyze from this test:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-65-7-roa0314/
You will notice that the M5 CP has a lower 1/4 mile trap speed (122.3mph) and slower 60-130mph (9.7s) interval compared to the E63 S (123.1mph and 9.6s). The E63 S has a 2 HP advantage (if you believe the ratings) and is significantly heavier than the M5 CP.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-65-7-roa0314/
You will notice that the M5 CP has a lower 1/4 mile trap speed (122.3mph) and slower 60-130mph (9.7s) interval compared to the E63 S (123.1mph and 9.6s). The E63 S has a 2 HP advantage (if you believe the ratings) and is significantly heavier than the M5 CP.
From what I can see here, the older less powerful NON PP rwd e63 AMG accelerates from 60-130mph same as the NON CP M5 at 9.4s for both. Which if we believe these tests is faster than both awd e63s and M5 CP. Hard to say which is faster. Only way to find out is go out and race against each other or get actual vbox data. But I still do believe the m5 would be faster because of the gearing. Speaking of gearing, the e63 amg seems to have shorter gearing. The shorter gearing is supposed to accelerate faster right? Or does the longer gearing in m5/m6 has a longer power peak throughout the rpm range? If that makes sense
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We should end this discussion as if you're really looking for the "Faster" car, it does't matter as there is always someone out there faster. If you want speed - tune the crap out of either until your hearts contents (or wallets empty). There is so much more to when buying a car - it comes down to what you like and WHAT PUTS A SMILE on your face. Start an M5 and listen... then start an E63 and listen... Your money - You decide which car is for you - just like you decide which wife or girlfriend makes you happy - or not! lol
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We should end this discussion as if you're really looking for the "Faster" car, it does't matter as there is always someone out there faster. If you want speed - tune the crap out of either until your hearts contents (or wallets empty). There is so much more to when buying a car - it comes down to what you like and WHAT PUTS A SMILE on your face. Start an M5 and listen... then start an E63 and listen... Your money - You decide which car is for you - just like you decide which wife or girlfriend makes you happy - or not! lol
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We should end this discussion as if you're really looking for the "Faster" car, it does't matter as there is always someone out there faster. If you want speed - tune the crap out of either until your hearts contents (or wallets empty). There is so much more to when buying a car - it comes down to what you like and WHAT PUTS A SMILE on your face. Start an M5 and listen... then start an E63 and listen... Your money - You decide which car is for you - just like you decide which wife or girlfriend makes you happy - or not! lol
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i'm talking about (2103-2016 5.5l Bi-turbo), "W212 E63/E63S 4-matic & W218 Cls63/Cls63S 4-matic"..!,
the diff. Ratio for both is (2.65:1)..!!
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not a M5 but pretty close (m6 conv) vs e63s 4matic.. stock vs stock... roll race to 186mph ... pretty close most of the way
