Esix3AMG

Yeah last year I was talking to the service rep and he stated AWD was in the works for m5/m6. But I read on bimmerpost that next gen M5 is to stay RWD.

"That's the word according to M division's CEO Frank van Meel. Speaking with Autocar, he said rear-wheel drive would always remain the default configuration for M cars, but an all-wheel-drive option was inevitable. It will have to be rear-biased and will be different than xDrive, but it will still send power to all four wheels".

However, it may be a unique RWD that send power to the front when needed or something along the lines. I guess we see it officially when its released.

proxygeek

I can't see the hardcore M guys going for AWD. In fact, it shocked me when MB released the E63 S as AWD. I have found that RWD guys are RWD guys.

Mike450

Yes, and the M division was also only devoted to cars, would never use FI and would never dream of not offering a true manual.

2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.

Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.

PeterUbers

You think the awd is needed because they (BMW) need to compete with other high performance cars in snow ... Or that they want to compete with sub 3 second 0-60's which is becoming the norm among these cars? If that was the case the c63 should also be awd as many more of these are sold compared to e63/S

proxygeek

The M cars will never go AWD. There is no reason to do so.

kponti

RS7......... E63....... Two very very good reasons for M division to at the very minimal offer AWD

Mike450

You need to relax with thinking your opion is fact when it comes to cars. It's been widely known for more than year they were going awd.


http://jalopnik.com/bmw-says-all-whe...oon-1679558822

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...re-inevitable/

Mike450

Both. With the ever increasing power these days, street traction becomes an issue and the perception on it being undrivable in inclement weather is also a problem.

Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.

PeterUbers

Makes sense

The awd system in the x5 M seems to work very well... Anyone know what type of awd system this is ... Fixed split?

kponti

What I am being too lazy to look up is how much variability is allowed with this system. Whats the max that ca go to the front or rear etc etc

EDIT:
Acting virtually instantaneously and a manner so subtle as to be go virtually unnoticed by the vehicle's occupants, xDrive can direct up to 100% of drive forces to one axle. Enabling the driver to start up effortlessly even on slippery surfaces or steep hills, xDrive routes all power to the axles with the greatest traction. When parking, the system reacts to the need for high maneuverability at low speed by opening the clutch completely so the powertrain functions optimally.

Esix3AMG

I agree the bimmer dealership in my state doesn't even stock RWD non M cars because they just don't sell. They almost always have at least one x5m and it doesn't stay on the floor very long. They said if the m5/m6 came in AWD they would keep one on hand but since its RWD it order only.

Where I live we get like 7-8 months of long dark winters so have AWD is a must especially since i love to DD my M5 with all the luxury and comfort it comes with.

BlownV8

Funny, that's what the hardcore M fanboys said. They will never go with turbos and never use an automatic....let's just add the 4wd to the never list.

proxygeek

I never heard that. I think you pulled that directly out of your ***. You won't see an M with AWD.

TMC M5

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M

BMW M vehicles typically used manuals and semi-automatic transmissions (the most recent type being a dual clutch transmission), in contrast to Mercedes-AMG which largely has automatic transmissions (the 7-speed AMG SpeedShift MCT dual clutch transmission was used on new models from 2009 onward). However, the BMW X5 M and X6 M were the first M-vehicles offered with automatic transmission, a 6-speed Steptronic unit, since this works with xDrive.

BMW M engines were traditionally low displacement naturally aspirated high revving engines, particularly the S85 V10 in the E60 M5 and E63 M6 and the related S65 V8 in the E90 M3. These are the most powerful engines BMW has ever built (not including the BMW S70/2) without supercharging or turbocharging, with an output of 100 hp per liter of displacement, and each has won numerous International Engine of the Year Awards.[9][11] [12] As late as the early 2000s, BMW regarded forced-induction (supercharging or turbocharging) as low-tech shortcuts to boosting horsepower, stating that this adds weight and complexity while reducing throttle response.[10] BMW purists have noted that while forced induction and/or large displacement does produce more torque for better day-to-day driving, most of them like the "character" and sound of low displacement naturally aspirated engines with high redlines.[13]

You want people to respect your opinion and treat you with respect. But you need to stop acting like a punk. You claim you're an intelligent person, start acting like one.

proxygeek

That link proved absolutely nothing to support your point.

So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.

Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)

TMC M5

I didn't come up with the original statement. And it is factual. BMW Motorsport said years ago it was not going to use forced induction and ALWAYS had manual transmissions (E46 was the first to offer a non-manual). BMW M purists have said these things over the years. I have heard it, others have heard, yet you think you are a "car guy" and you call BS over that statement? Sounds more like you are a 15 year old...because you sure act it. We are adults here...I think you have spent too many years keyboard fighting on GTA forums with kids.

You are a troll...I am done interacting with you and your childish ways. I have rarely put someone on ignore but you bring absolutely nothing to this forum. Enjoy!

chiromikey

Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean anyone made it up. In this case it simply means you haven't been around the luxury performance car world long enough to know better. These exact discussions went on around here and on the M5board years ago...with the M5 guys being proven wrong of course.

Brucealeg

I'm a RWD guy and I love the move to AWD.

Mike450

He provided you a link that clearly spelled out BMW's M Division long time historic stance (a very well known historic stance btw) and this is still your response?


The proper adult response would be something more along the lines of "Wow! I never knew that. You learn something everyday. Thanks"

But being as I'm inclined believe you are not who you claim to be, it's not surprising ... lol

proxygeek

Fair enough, but I am a long time car mag reader and car forum haunt and never heard that. I was very close to buying an F10 M5 and have spent time on various Bimmer boards and the general consensus seems to be that AWD in an M car would be sacrilege.

proxygeek

That did not prove YOUR point and who are you to say what a proper response is. Now that's a punk.

proxygeek

It is you who are the troll and your post's leave wordy evidence of it.

Yeah bud, I'm a 15 year old. And OK, you're an adult, yeah I can see that. You just have diarrhea of the mouth. Very common malady on car boards.

chiromikey

I understand your position because the M guys back in the day were also as sure as you are the their cars would never (and they meant NEVER) go forced induction or away from a pure manual transmission.