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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 12:55 PM
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AMS/Alpha exhaust system long term thoughts?

I am looking for long term opinions of the Alpha exhaust for our car. For someone who's had it for a while, do you wish you had another system? Is it too loud for daily driving?

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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 04:12 PM
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I don't have it, but sure am not a fan of the single tip with our bumper design.
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iownedu
I don't have it, but sure am not a fan of the single tip with our bumper design.
The muffler stays behind the existing exhaust tip just like stock muffler
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 04:50 PM
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This is for the facelift e63 don't see the tips
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 05:19 PM
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Oh I guess I've never really looked, are you saying on my facelift the tips are attached to the rear bumper and not to the actual exhaust?
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 05:50 PM
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Do the facelift OEM tips (pre fake tips) end as normal circular pipes? Or are they oval/not round in shape?
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 06:11 PM
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Oh I guess I've never really looked, are you saying on my facelift the tips are attached to the rear bumper and not to the actual exhaust?
correct unless urs is a non s
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleHeartAMG
Do the facelift OEM tips (pre fake tips) end as normal circular pipes? Or are they oval/not round in shape?
I'm pretty sure there round but there is two smaller pipes aiming into the tips vs one large
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by izzy63
correct unless urs is a non s
The tips on the s model vs non s model ,the dimensions are exactly the same and they connect to the rear bumper the same the non s model has a gap between the tip (more traditional amg style) where the s model it a molded tip
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All facelifts have tips that are intergrated into the bumper. They are not attached to the exhaust, if you look closely you can see the real tips inside.

AMS is overpriced, and it is not loud.

Go to any reputable muffler shop have them fabricate you a custom SS straight piped exhaust for much, much less. Or just replace the resonators in the rear with straight pipes for even less than that if you don't want something too loud.
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Why don't you spend the money on down pipes and get so HP benefits also in addition to sound
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by raudiace4
All facelifts have tips that are intergrated into the bumper. They are not attached to the exhaust, if you look closely you can see the real tips inside.

AMS is overpriced, and it is not loud.

Go to any reputable muffler shop have them fabricate you a custom SS straight piped exhaust for much, much less. Or just replace the resonators in the rear with straight pipes for even less than that if you don't want something too loud.
Does removing the resonator just introduce sound inside cabin making it seem louder but not any louder at the tips?
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Why don't you spend the money on down pipes and get so HP benefits also in addition to sound
How much HP can DP add vs a catback system?
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 11:19 AM
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Does removing the resonator just introduce sound inside cabin making it seem louder but not any louder at the tips?
The problem with the E cabin is that it is quite well insulated, so the exhaust is in fact much louder than what your ears are telling you. Also, removing the resonator will make the car louder at the tips and in the cabin. If it is louder in one place it is louder in both.

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How much HP can DP add vs a catback system?
DP's will do much more than catbacks. The problem is that to get the most out of DP's you should go catless, but going catless can lead to inspection issues and sometimes people will complain of the smell of gas. So unless you're willing to make those sacrifices then really your best bet would be to just stick with running a set of straight pipes in place of your resonator and calling it a day.

For the price, and the gains, catted downpipes really aren't worth it. I've also seen plenty of areas where owners aren't getting the gains they would've like to see out of catless DP's.

If you're like me, and want a little extra pep but wait to maintain those DD qualities and not have any headaches, the extent of "performance" modifications should look something like a tune and resonator delete on this car.

The advantage to the AMS catback comes in when you really have to open things up and have gone down the big turbo path or something like that. Otherwise you're kind of just throwing money away for nothing.
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Originally Posted by AG6
How much HP can DP add vs a catback system?
To be honest I dont think a cat back system add any significant power (correct me if I am wrong)

On the other hand turbo back downpipes are always coupled with a ECU calibration. Lot of numbers are posted bu the tuners.
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DPs are the way to go if you're looking for more power/tq and sound. Catbacks will add negligible power if any at all, mostly for sound.

Removing the resonator will definitely be louder inside and outside, but much more outside bc the cabin is really well insulated. Much more turbo spool and crackling sounds on downshifts. Even more so if you have downpipes with res delete.
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 11:48 AM
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I guess the next question: What are some good quality DP?

I have speed driven and AMS close to me

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I guess the next question: What are some good quality DP?

I have speed driven and AMS close to me
Both are pretty good. It just boils down to who you can communicate with better and price also.
Since you have a AWD car I would not recommend turbo back down pipes. I would get the cat less ones.
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What's the best way to go for exhaust with no tune or Renntech tune , I don't want to remove my stock DP's ,I still want it comfortable not crazy loud but I love the crackles
Resonator delete?
Renntech mufflers?
Renntech muffler with resonator delete ?
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 02:27 PM
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I was planning to add Alpha downpipes, but I'm afraid that the car will get too loud outside, and I definitively do not want it. Does anyone know how loud the car will get if I change the downpipes (cattless) and keep the OEM exhaust system?
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It will be a loud on cold start and on load

Other than that it will not be obnoxious
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 05:25 PM
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DPs are the way to go if you're looking for more power/tq and sound. Catbacks will add negligible power if any at all, mostly for sound.

Removing the resonator will definitely be louder inside and outside, but much more outside bc the cabin is really well insulated. Much more turbo spool and crackling sounds on downshifts. Even more so if you have downpipes with res delete.
Does removing the stock resonators and replacing with straight pipes add any power or is that purely just for sound?

On stock downpipes with cats in place.
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
Does removing the stock resonators and replacing with straight pipes add any power or is that purely just for sound?

On stock downpipes with cats in place.
just more sound.

If you had catless dps, then res delete that might get you more power with less restriction after the dps.
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