2014 E63s Wet Clutch Adaption and Driving Adaption Dealer service
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Before all this I would put my car into drive/reverse and I can tell you I am sure I could step of of the car and it will be there when I get back. I thought that was because of the AWD system. It felt like the hand brk was on.
The car felt like a rock will not move unless you gave it some gas.
NOW I put it into drive she rolls reverse NO gas...
I am not speak of Turbo lag. I am talk about how long does it feel to have the gear engaged and not moving unless you gas it...
Anyone in NYC area we can meet up.
I know of a 15 63 in the area and I will reach out and swap cars and note difference. My paddle shift is way better that was the worst.
The car felt like a rock will not move unless you gave it some gas.
NOW I put it into drive she rolls reverse NO gas...
I am not speak of Turbo lag. I am talk about how long does it feel to have the gear engaged and not moving unless you gas it...
Anyone in NYC area we can meet up.
I know of a 15 63 in the area and I will reach out and swap cars and note difference. My paddle shift is way better that was the worst.
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with that said - if i come to a complete stop, let the trans engage in 1st and slightly roll then mash the gas it launches pretty good. not as good as race start or brake torque but at least no lag.
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2015-2016 cars have an updated clutch. It's slightly quicker. For example, if I reset transmission adaptations, there's absolutely no lag while taking off. If the car is driven grandma style for a while and adapts to that style, then a slight lag can be felt in comfort setting (my observations). My transmission shifts really well. A buddy of mine has a 2014 and yes it feels different all around. Even after it has been reset.
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Peter - the test scenario you describe here is exactly what high lights the 1/2 lag for the trans to respond after hitting the gas in my car. there is a slight jerk once the trans engages. i can actually mash the pedal nearly to the floor quickly in that 1/2 second and nothing happens.
with that said - if i come to a complete stop, let the trans engage in 1st and slightly roll then mash the gas it launches pretty good. not as good as race start or brake torque but at least no lag.
with that said - if i come to a complete stop, let the trans engage in 1st and slightly roll then mash the gas it launches pretty good. not as good as race start or brake torque but at least no lag.
your stop and go scenario is still my contention with this mct and that cannot be dialed out. If I let off the gas after being at a total stop and then allow a 1/2 second for gear engagement the I have no lag either.
the "I hit the gas and nothing happens" scenario still happens in your car. That's just an mct trait and I actually drive my car quite happily because my foot-brain has learned to account for that and this has made my driving experience more enjoyable
thanks for sharing Sunil
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Nikon - when you say "reset transmission adaptations" do you mean the ECU reset trick where you put the key to position 2 (not started) press accelerator pedal to kickdown and hold for 5 seconds, release pedal, then turn key to position 1 and wait 2-3 mins so the transmission adaptation is reset??? or how are you doing this?
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This is funny! Sunil does not know how his car was before and after.. being sarcastic here!
Why is it so difficult to accept reality? If the gears and clutch are not properly aligned IT WILL take longer to find the correct position. I think the translation is hunting for alignment. 2015 and early 2016 have common components and software, mid and late 16 have a few unique parts and software.
Nothing like proving negative...
You don't believe me? ask your dealer to do a Bit compare between the files and get back to me.
Why is it so difficult to accept reality? If the gears and clutch are not properly aligned IT WILL take longer to find the correct position. I think the translation is hunting for alignment. 2015 and early 2016 have common components and software, mid and late 16 have a few unique parts and software.
Nothing like proving negative...
You don't believe me? ask your dealer to do a Bit compare between the files and get back to me.
I also saw that for the press release for the facelift 2015 cls63 MB did mention upgraded hardware/software for those year models.
Now your saying they made even further changes to
the MCT in mid-late 2016?
i wonder if a 2015 really feels any different than a late 16
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we confirmed the clutch was updated for the 15+ models.
I also saw that for the press release for the facelift 2015 cls63 MB did mention upgraded hardware/software for those year models.
Now your saying they made even further changes to
the MCT in mid-late 2016?
i wonder if a 2015 really feels any different than a late 16
I also saw that for the press release for the facelift 2015 cls63 MB did mention upgraded hardware/software for those year models.
Now your saying they made even further changes to
the MCT in mid-late 2016?
i wonder if a 2015 really feels any different than a late 16
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I have both, a 2015 and a late 16. I drive both; both had the clutch and transmission adaptation, they do feel different but not by much but then it is my impression. The 15 is a little slower clunkerier than the 16, the 16 is as or nearly as fast as the 16 GTs' DCT I owned for a few months.
Also this is physical alignment (not talking about turbo lag) so resetting your ECU disconnecting the battery will not do it.
I am as sure as seeing in person at AMG the different parts of the 2015/16.
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I have both, a 2015 and a late 16. I drive both; both had the clutch and transmission adaptation, they do feel different but not by much but then it is my impression. The 15 is a little slower clunkerier than the 16, the 16 is as or nearly as fast as the 16 GTs' DCT I owned for a few months.
Also this is physical alignment (not talking about turbo lag) so resetting your ECU disconnecting the battery will not do it.
I am as sure as seeing in person at AMG the different parts of the 2015/16.
Also this is physical alignment (not talking about turbo lag) so resetting your ECU disconnecting the battery will not do it.
I am as sure as seeing in person at AMG the different parts of the 2015/16.
And yes I'm not referring to the physical alignment of the gears and clutch.
What parts have you seen that are different in the tranny of 2015/2016?
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My car is in the shop right now due to very similar issues that the OP mentioned. 'Jerky' transmission at parking lot speeds, lag from a stop, and just general clunkiness at speeds under 30mph. Service advisor called and said that they were doing a wet clutch/transmission adaptation and will road test it tomorrow and will report back. I'll update when I get it back.
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Do a test drive with the shop foreman. Most of the times they look at the adaptation values through DAS. Is it clunkie when warm, cold, or both
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Both. Service manager said that it was normal operation of a wet clutch transmission. Said that the shop foreman drove the car extensively today and said that it drove 'normal.'
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I have both, a 2015 and a late 16. I drive both; both had the clutch and transmission adaptation, they do feel different but not by much but then it is my impression. The 15 is a little slower clunkerier than the 16, the 16 is as or nearly as fast as the 16 GTs' DCT I owned for a few months.
Also this is physical alignment (not talking about turbo lag) so resetting your ECU disconnecting the battery will not do it.
I am as sure as seeing in person at AMG the different parts of the 2015/16.
Also this is physical alignment (not talking about turbo lag) so resetting your ECU disconnecting the battery will not do it.
I am as sure as seeing in person at AMG the different parts of the 2015/16.
from Worst to best it goes 14-15-16?
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^ its even worse in reverse.... so many times i have put it in R trying to get out/ or into a parking spot quickly on the street and trans is like "hold please"
Yeah when I go from forward to reverse I have lag between changing, I think this is normal for this trans ?
It would take for ever to the car to engage in the gear selected.
That is now not the case with my car. I found this more when it was cold. I think I two issues related to the trans low ATF and the adaption fixed my issues. Now I have to pay more attention to lag engaging gears. At this point seem very fast. Cold/hot.
I am going to perform the test for Peter 5mph slow down and gas it.
Anyone is NYC PM me take it for a drive
Originally Posted by gaspam
^ its even worse in reverse.... so many times i have put it in R trying to get out/ or into a parking spot quickly on the street and trans is like "hold please"
Yeah when I go from forward to reverse I have lag between changing, I think this is normal for this trans ?
It would take for ever to the car to engage in the gear selected.
That is now not the case with my car. I found this more when it was cold. I think I two issues related to the trans low ATF and the adaption fixed my issues. Now I have to pay more attention to lag engaging gears. At this point seem very fast. Cold/hot.
I am going to perform the test for Peter 5mph slow down and gas it.
Anyone is NYC PM me take it for a drive
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaspam
^ its even worse in reverse.... so many times i have put it in R trying to get out/ or into a parking spot quickly on the street and trans is like "hold please"
Yeah when I go from forward to reverse I have lag between changing, I think this is normal for this trans ?
It would take for ever to the car to engage in the gear selected.
That is now not the case with my car. I found this more when it was cold. I think I two issues related to the trans low ATF and the adaption fixed my issues. Now I have to pay more attention to lag engaging gears. At this point seem very fast. Cold/hot.
I am going to perform the test for Peter 5mph slow down and gas it.
Anyone is NYC PM me take it for a drive
Originally Posted by gaspam
^ its even worse in reverse.... so many times i have put it in R trying to get out/ or into a parking spot quickly on the street and trans is like "hold please"
Yeah when I go from forward to reverse I have lag between changing, I think this is normal for this trans ?
It would take for ever to the car to engage in the gear selected.
That is now not the case with my car. I found this more when it was cold. I think I two issues related to the trans low ATF and the adaption fixed my issues. Now I have to pay more attention to lag engaging gears. At this point seem very fast. Cold/hot.
I am going to perform the test for Peter 5mph slow down and gas it.
Anyone is NYC PM me take it for a drive
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My Original dealer MB of Seattle told me the exact same thing, then I worked MB of Bellevue and since they did not have a procedure we involved AMG. If there isn't another dealer then write to MB.
I showed my gratitude buy buying another wagon and GTs from MB of Bellevue and made a point to go and show the punks in MB of Seattle.
The important thing is to be able to repro, have videos, then send them. I even sent videos to AMG in Germany.
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Just an FYI
My Original dealer MB of Seattle told me the exact same thing, then I worked MB of Bellevue and since they did not have a procedure we involved AMG. If there isn't another dealer then write to MB.
I showed my gratitude buy buying another wagon and GTs from MB of Bellevue and made a point to go and show the punks in MB of Seattle.
The important thing is to be able to repro, have videos, then send them. I even sent videos to AMG in Germany.
My Original dealer MB of Seattle told me the exact same thing, then I worked MB of Bellevue and since they did not have a procedure we involved AMG. If there isn't another dealer then write to MB.
I showed my gratitude buy buying another wagon and GTs from MB of Bellevue and made a point to go and show the punks in MB of Seattle.
The important thing is to be able to repro, have videos, then send them. I even sent videos to AMG in Germany.
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Cold Car in C mode into R car is rolling into D car is rolling no gas no delay.
Did a few N to R & N to D no issues with lagging of gear engagement.
Drove oil temp 90s water 140s C mode no issues in S+ would downshift to 1st and you don't feel anything at 5 MPH step on the car it goes, roll to about 5-7 it would go back into 1st. I am able to have in first in S+ and no rocking chair feeling. Once warmed S+ WOT to end of 4th off the gas and rolling all downshift were smooth 3 ,2,1 no jerking only the RPM would bump up at each shift.
What I did notice going into all the modes.. is that when I go from C to s to S+ the RMP is stable but when I go into M the RPM would bump up some.. Only in M. Before the dealer I would start the car and R and have to step on the gas to get it to move R or D.Now cold start R and rolling...
I now have my BMC filters in and no CEL... as of yet.
Now I m going to be looking at tires PSS or AS3+
Did a few N to R & N to D no issues with lagging of gear engagement.
Drove oil temp 90s water 140s C mode no issues in S+ would downshift to 1st and you don't feel anything at 5 MPH step on the car it goes, roll to about 5-7 it would go back into 1st. I am able to have in first in S+ and no rocking chair feeling. Once warmed S+ WOT to end of 4th off the gas and rolling all downshift were smooth 3 ,2,1 no jerking only the RPM would bump up at each shift.
What I did notice going into all the modes.. is that when I go from C to s to S+ the RMP is stable but when I go into M the RPM would bump up some.. Only in M. Before the dealer I would start the car and R and have to step on the gas to get it to move R or D.Now cold start R and rolling...
I now have my BMC filters in and no CEL... as of yet.
Now I m going to be looking at tires PSS or AS3+
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so, Sunil you still have the annoying jerk with stop and go. This is my point; your car wouldn't move at idle ... none of us had that problem ... my car moves at idle just fine. You had a different issue and I'm very glad it's fixed
your stop and go scenario is still my contention with this mct and that cannot be dialed out. If I let off the gas after being at a total stop and then allow a 1/2 second for gear engagement the I have no lag either.
the "I hit the gas and nothing happens" scenario still happens in your car. That's just an mct trait and I actually drive my car quite happily because my foot-brain has learned to account for that and this has made my driving experience more enjoyable
thanks for sharing Sunil
your stop and go scenario is still my contention with this mct and that cannot be dialed out. If I let off the gas after being at a total stop and then allow a 1/2 second for gear engagement the I have no lag either.
the "I hit the gas and nothing happens" scenario still happens in your car. That's just an mct trait and I actually drive my car quite happily because my foot-brain has learned to account for that and this has made my driving experience more enjoyable
thanks for sharing Sunil
The car is smoother through gears at any speed and way less jerky through parking lots...but the lag is real.
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Peter - I had the adaptation done and a tune, and I 100% still have the lag both at 0 mph when I stomp on it, and if I leave it in gear and slow down to 5mph and floor it. I have a 14 though, so posssibly that makes it worse.
The car is smoother through gears at any speed and way less jerky through parking lots...but the lag is real.
The car is smoother through gears at any speed and way less jerky through parking lots...but the lag is real.
thats what I thought ....
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Hi AJ before the adaption,if you put the car into D/R no gas cold or warm does it start rolling on it own. My car never moved, you hand to give it gas.
