iownedu

Im trying to decide if I want to add turbos and meth to my car, or sell if and find a TT Gallardo. Obviously two different animals, I really like my e63s other than it not pulling hard enough for my desire.

Does anyone have drag videos or timeslips of a PureTurbos car? I have an email into them about driving the car out there on a weekend, then upgrading it Mon-Fri and me taking off with it the next weekend. I want their turbo kit, meth kit, and downpipes with bridges if necessary. I've also inquired on if they can tune it on e85 as that is readily available here. Probably don't need the meth kit if they can.

I want to trap 135mph minimum with this car.

chiromikey

I have a strong feeling it's not gonna happen in this car. None of the turbo upgrades are turning out to be anything more than dyno queens.

gaspam

i saw the guy with the 840+awhp pureturbo e63 this weekend on instagram... no timeslip but from the time board i could see 10.6 @129

this is the same e63 that previously ran 10.6/133 on stock turbos+ meth... so not sure what the story is, or if there is one

I have a feeling the torque limiters might be interfering heavily in the first 3-4 gears with all that power

iownedu

I also contacted GAD a little while back, they are willing to tune my TCU for me if I ship it over to them.

CarHopper

Honestly, this should be step one.

The ____ (insert any aftermarket turbo setup.. w4/pure) has been around long enough to go to a track. Surely they have and it goes one of two ways. Either great results posted instantly or just the opposite and crickets.

All I've been hearing are crickets.

However, if you can get the TCU addressed that will change everything.

chiromikey

I have it on good source that the Pureturbo car did some test runs to get the kinks worked out and they're shooting for big numbers on their next track day. W4 on the other hand...the guy gave up and sold it two weeks after the install.

efiftyfizzle

The thing is... TCU tunes don't make any money. $25k turbo packages with overly glorified mercedes tuning branding makes a ton of money. These companies don't care the least bit about making these cars faster, and they will never care as long as people keep throwing them money for non-sense.

iownedu

Here is my interaction with PureTurbos. Waste of time.

notatroll

As far as I know pure turbos only manufacture turbos. They dont offer tunes on any car. So the problem as it always has been is not the hardware but the software.

gaspam

pureturbos is just a turbo manufacturer... they dont really do tunes/install.... would kind of be like asking garret/ honeywell (our oem turbo manufacture)to do a install/ tune...

you basically buy the turbos and have to find a tuner/shop you trust to install and get the tune right.... its not a all-in-one kit like AMS/weistec/renntech/ eurocharged where the tune is included

notatroll

lol if w4 was any good we would see results from Weistec. Im assuming the tuner for pure turbo e63 is a guy named Kevin?

CarHopper

That's just inaccurate... Most people here are sitting and waiting for a TCU option with cash in hand. If we are throwing $20k+ into builds what is going to stop someone from a couple extra into a TCU?

Hell, it just has to be programmed so it isn't like a company has to produce hardware. Even beyond that, you only have to get it right once and then it is just a matter of uploading software. You don't even have to sweat over each one but will still pocket $$$ each time.

In other words, the margins are actually much greater on TCU's / ECU's than it is for hardware applications.

I like that GAD said they'd help if we got them the TCU which is the hang up here.

efiftyfizzle

the tuning companies don't want to pay for the R&D involved in cracking the TCU limiters. Go watch the YouTube video on SmokingTire when the twin turbo SLS came on it and listen to how much money World Motorsports had to pay in cracking the torque limiters on the SLS. There's a lot of up front cost that's involved that will pay off in the long run but the tuners decide to take less risk by building kits as they're ordered and make a ton of money on them. You really think it costs $5k to make those weistec downpipes? That's easily a $3-4k margin on each one. The w3 and w4 kits they sell piece together all these parts that they make a great margin on individually so it makes sense to assume that collectively they make a killing with very low risk.

CarHopper

^There are plenty of platforms with TCU upgrades. I'm not saying they will be cheap, either. And GAD has already done it and is willing to hook the OP up.

Regardless, the TCU needs to be addressed before going down the turbo road otherwise it is just money wasted at this point.

chiromikey

Aren't there two GADs? Last I read the one making all the advances wasn't working outside their region. Are we sure this is the right one?

gaspam

yeah there is gad tuning (england) and gad- motors (germany)... gad motors is the one you want and they told me they can do tcu tuning but prefer to have car in shop to get it right, so that was a dealbreaker to me as not shipping my car to germany for a tcu tune

but that was about a year ago so maybe they changed their mind and will do mail-in tcu tunes.... I have a feeling that is a cluster-f%ck waiting to happen.... i foresee car being out of commission for month or more while waiting..... but if anyone can do it i would bet its GAD.... here is their latest M157 dyno (from the M157 that was transplanted into a E-class coupe)...that's 1122 horsepower and 1211 trq... expect to pay 6 figures for these type of results from gad

efiftyfizzle

They probably prefer to have it in house for custom setups (turbo upgrades, meth, etc.) but what about simple downpipes and ecu tune? They have to be able to have a generic baseline file for that.

Amg63-

Let's email them and find out. Anybody here speak german? Lol

will175

Figure give my 2 cents..

I have Pure Turbos, just installed on my CLS63. And as mentioned they only sell the turbos. They looked good when they showed up. We also ordered a billet wheel from them for another platform and it balanced out perfect...

Tuner is Kevin Baldi. I have worked with some of the top (non-factory race teams) tuners out there for the aftermarket. And so far Kevin has ranked right at the top with them with Transparency, caution, communication, and just plain out right helping out...Yes we are doing remote tuning/logging, but I have access to a dyno pretty much anytime so that helps for my situation. I dont foresee it taking more then a few revisions.

OP mentioned he wanted E85, so did I. And I still do want to run E85. Have 2 ECUs and switch between the two. We have also been talking to see if there is a way to have two separate files stored in the ECU and have a trigger (sort of like flex fuel) to switch between Files...Still in the talks for that part. I dont know how much head room we have on out fuel system for E85. That actually might be the limiting factor. Unless someone here knows off hand. I can ask Kevin and see what he thinks. With that you must know your Ethanol content, either by testing each fill up or having a Ethanol content sensor wired in to display constantly. Which is the best way and I have done that to my bigger build cars.

Now about Weistec...I would of went with them and I have a buddy that did there complete W3 package with a few more parts...Our builds were going on the same time. Lets just say mine went smoother then his. What shined was the communication with member Shardul for parts, and Kevin with the tuning side...

Good luck with your build. But if you are looking at TT-G or a TT-H, this car shouldn't even be in the same sentence. There are some nice TT-Gs out for sale right now at good prices. UGR Stage 3 and up Ive seen. Stage 3 with the additional options is what I would go with if I was building another Lambo...UGR doesnt tune for E85 usually...Dallas Performance does though..

Good luck,
Will

TMC M5

Amg63-

Just saw this on facebook


looks like the pureturbos setup is trapping at 136.47 mph. Seems a bit low considering the amount of power it's making.

gaspam

they posted again today on this car.... 136mph trap, no time slip though

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iownedu

I have asked PureTurbos if they have a timeslip, they have also clarified as you guys stated that they are just a turbo shop, not an installer and tuner.

I have asked to be put in touch with Kevin (their tuner) to talk options of e85 and flying him to Denver for a custom dyno tune if I install the turbos.

I may go ahead and ship my TCU to GAD Motors and see how that goes also. Maybe a TCU tune with PureTurbos could get to that 140mph mark on pump gas/meth or straight e85.

chiromikey

He launched at a sub optimal RPM and it didn't bog so thats an improvement too....

Amg63-

Does he have his TCU tuned or is it stock?