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Car shopping. What are the pros and cons for the 3 cars for all those car buffs on here. I know it's a AMG forum, but it's has some good and even heated discussion about other makers that I like to hear about.
A $134k rebadged 3-series? Yeah, no. And unless it has a lifter button like a Lambo that low-*** splitter will live up to its name the first time you go over a speed bump...
There is something about a N/A engine that has over 600 hp (Gen 2 R8 Plus or a tuned non Plus) and the car is incredible from some many standpoints: handling, looks, sound, feel, ownership, interior... I just love what the car exudes. I come from 5 Porsche Turbos including two Turbo S models (14 and 16) and they are rippers. My 16 was modded with tune and catless and was pulling low 130 mph traps (cars similarly modded) but yet it was not a car that made me excited to drive it on a daily or even weekend basis. Its just not as "special" IMHO as an owner of both cars. The R8 sounds so brilliant too; its a V10 symphony and I know its not at as fast as the 991.2 Turbo S in almost every test and I have no problem with that. I could have got that car but it was time to get back to Audi (had a 2012 V10 R8).
I have no seat time in the M4 but indeed its just a race car that can be street driven and didnt appeal to me.
The E63S is an intriguing car and Ill bet it out performs almost every sedan that is available but the car itself is not available now so I current have an RS7 Performance which serves my sedan needs. I think the E63S is a bit muted in the appearance department as the Benz Sedans have gone that way (S, E, C). I know the RS7 is not for every one with its "hatchback" platform but Im on my second tour with one (had a 14 too) and this 2017 is miles ahead in feel, steering, suspension, and overall feel. The tweaks that Audi did have pulled out the understeer and almost all of the tq steer as well. Its still a big pig at 4500 lbs but it handles more like my departed 2016 M5.
I know that the OP just threw out 3 cars in 3 segments but thats my thoughts as an owner of the current R8 and a future of buyer of the E63S (yes Ill get one .
Car shopping. What are the pros and cons for the 3 cars for all those car buffs on here.
First tell us why anyone would cross-shop these vehicles. What one is looking for in A is nothing you'll find in B and C is completely different than the other two options. It's like walking into a bar asking "what are the pros and cons of mac18 vs. chateau lafite rothschild vs. veuve cliquot?" while each one very good in their respective category have very little to do with each other except being liquid with alcohol in it.. same with these vehicles you asked us to discuss. each one very good in their own way but the only thing they have in common is that they're all automobiles.
First tell us why anyone would cross-shop these vehicles. What one is looking for in A is nothing you'll find in B and C is completely different than the other two options. It's like walking into a bar asking "what are the pros and cons of mac18 vs. chateau lafite rothschild vs. veuve cliquot?" while each one very good in their respective category have very little to do with each other except being liquid with alcohol in it.. same with these vehicles you asked us to discuss. each one very good in their own way but the only thing they have in common is that they're all automobiles.
This is a very simple answer to your question. I am car shopping and have narrow down to 3 car makers, Mercedes, Audi and BMW and have picked one model from each markers that I like. There is not one car ( or drink ) that is exact in every aspect from design to performance and technical aspect that is compatible, but like to hear from people who owns it or has owned it for their feedback. I know it's not an apple to apple comparison, but hearing from people who has experience in these cars gets my thought process going faster.
A $134k rebadged 3-series? Yeah, no. And unless it has a lifter button like a Lambo that low-*** splitter will live up to its name the first time you go over a speed bump...
I'm actually a fan of the design, but the roll cage is a major turn off for me.
There is something about a N/A engine that has over 600 hp (Gen 2 R8 Plus or a tuned non Plus) and the car is incredible from some many standpoints: handling, looks, sound, feel, ownership, interior... I just love what the car exudes. I come from 5 Porsche Turbos including two Turbo S models (14 and 16) and they are rippers. My 16 was modded with tune and catless and was pulling low 130 mph traps (cars similarly modded) but yet it was not a car that made me excited to drive it on a daily or even weekend basis. Its just not as "special" IMHO as an owner of both cars. The R8 sounds so brilliant too; its a V10 symphony and I know its not at as fast as the 991.2 Turbo S in almost every test and I have no problem with that. I could have got that car but it was time to get back to Audi (had a 2012 V10 R8).
I have no seat time in the M4 but indeed its just a race car that can be street driven and didnt appeal to me.
The E63S is an intriguing car and Ill bet it out performs almost every sedan that is available but the car itself is not available now so I current have an RS7 Performance which serves my sedan needs. I think the E63S is a bit muted in the appearance department as the Benz Sedans have gone that way (S, E, C). I know the RS7 is not for every one with its "hatchback" platform but Im on my second tour with one (had a 14 too) and this 2017 is miles ahead in feel, steering, suspension, and overall feel. The tweaks that Audi did have pulled out the understeer and almost all of the tq steer as well. Its still a big pig at 4500 lbs but it handles more like my departed 2016 M5.
I know that the OP just threw out 3 cars in 3 segments but thats my thoughts as an owner of the current R8 and a future of buyer of the E63S (yes Ill get one .
Great looking cars, your feedback is exactly what I'm looking for. I'm actually trying to get use to the front end of the R8S and 2018 E63. Thanks.
Agree on the muted look. Even the new E63 - looks like it has baby wheels on it, car sits high and arched...sometimes I look at it and say wow, pretty...other times, like next to an RS7, or a Model S, etc...it just looks thick, clunky, and boring.
this, plus if you want more power, the tuning market will be better for the 911tt... (yeah sure you can take the R8 to UGR and spend another $100K cash for a crazy TT setup, but that doesnt really count for most people)
this, plus if you want more power, the tuning market will be better for the 911tt... (yeah sure you can take the R8 to UGR and spend another $100K cash for a crazy TT setup, but that doesnt really count for most people)
1,000 HP for 99k installed is insane, but I was looking for something that looks good and fast off the bat. The 911tt is too rounded and small to the wife's liking. Leaning towards the R8S, but trying to overlook the grill on it which is my only downfall.
Might sound stupid, but should there be a concern on the R8S with the start and stop button on the steering wheel that might be accidentally pressed while driving?
As a happy owner of an E63 Wagon ('16) I'd absolutely go for the R8. It's a special car and I'd love to spend each day listening to the N/A V10. Oh baby! If it weren't for the 2 car seats, dog, bikes, strollers....
1,000 HP for 99k installed is insane, but I was looking for something that looks good and fast off the bat. The 911tt is too rounded and small to the wife's liking. Leaning towards the R8S, but trying to overlook the grill on it which is my only downfall.
Might sound stupid, but should there be a concern on the R8S with the start and stop button on the steering wheel that might be accidentally pressed while driving?
The button won't do anything if you're driving. Try pushing it on your E63, it won't do anything unless you're at a stop.
1,000 HP for 99k installed is insane, but I was looking for something that looks good and fast off the bat. The 911tt is too rounded and small to the wife's liking. Leaning towards the R8S, but trying to overlook the grill on it which is my only downfall.
Might sound stupid, but should there be a concern on the R8S with the start and stop button on the steering wheel that might be accidentally pressed while driving?
The grill is awesome- I got used to it the moment I took delivery but do not get one with the damn license plate holder!!!!!!!. Oh there is no chance you can press the start stop button while driving; its sunken and I dont think it even works while the car is moving.
Thanks for the headup on the license plate bracket, I really can not image a license plate on the grille though. I would think that one can't accidentally hit the button while the car is in motion, but was hoping for a defiventive answer ( not that I wish someone actually go out and try it ).
That R8 would be a great addition - beautiful and that V10 sounds just amazing while in the cabin - personally not a fan of the M4 and not sure of the new E63 yet - want to see in person to get a feel for it - i'm also a geek for wagons, so hoping to see the new E soon -
Thanks. Now that M4 GTS with the track spec. and roll cage is out, GTS is now in the race for me. Wife wants to wait and drive the 2018 E63 wagon. Who knows it might impress us.
Last edited by AMGNEEDSPEED; 06-22-2017 at 05:10 PM.
Thanks. Now that M4 GTS with the track spec. and roll cage, GTS is now in the race for me. Wife wants to wait and drive the 2018 E63 wagon. Who knows it might impress us.
06-20-2017, 06:14 PM
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