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Im strongly studying the 2014 and 15 e63. I understand that the major difference between the two are power folding mirrors and some cosmetic options.
Im super curious to know the difference between:
2014 E63 vs 2014 E63s vs 2015 E63 vs 2015 E63s
I havent been able to find a 2014 E63s, but it seems that every 2015 model year is the E63s (has the s badge next to the AMG symbol.
For example, whats this guy? Is this just a regular Mercedes E63 non S model? Whats the difference if this was an s model? It looks like theyre all 4 wheel drive, am I wrong?
If I remember correctly, the difference is they started putting "s" on the badge to let everyone know that you have the P30 package with extra ponies. However, there majority on here are much more savvy than me.
I saw a vid on you tube where this guy has an S and says its 577 HP. He then says that he got a renntech tune and it increased HP +120 and tq +100, but he says thats on top of the 577 from the S. Bull?
Since all E63s are awd, can you make a non S as fast as an S? What I mean is, if I take a non S to Renntech, and you take your S to renntech, will they make the same power considering same engine?
So to confirm the only differences are trim color and folding mirrors? Is the premium on the S with it considering the car will be tuned and DPiped anyway?
thoughts on this silver non S from the link above?
I'd get the S. There are still interior touches like alcantara steering wheel you don't get with a non S. And the limited slip.
In theory, however, yes a tune and DP's will turn the cars basically identical as the meat and potatoes (motor, turbos) are still the same.
Not bull on tune. I mean, there is some advertising to that but these cars do pick up a lot of power with tunes.
I'm not sure if I'm missing anything else but could be as far as differences go. Some may say (think) the 15 tranny is a little smoother but I don't think it is.
I wouldn't say the LSD is a must given the car is AWD but it's nice to have in there. Also -- The S model will have far better resale / potential to sell in the future should you want to get rid of it.
I went from 464awhp/505awtq on a mustang dyno to 620awhp/763awtq on a dynojet w/ tune, dps, and fresh AFE filters. Definitely power to be made but note those are different dynos on different days so it's not likely you'll pick up an actual 260awtq. Huge difference in power no doubt. 1/4 and 0-60 aren't the best because the tranny limits tq in low gears etc. so these cars don't launch the best. You're looking at consistent mid 11's down to high 10's if you're a good driver and potentially throw in some meth or additional cooling. 0-60 I'd say realistically mid 3's something like 3.3 - 3.6 real world.
Lowering -- I have the H&R springs which a lot of people run fine. I rub a little bit when I'm at a crawl and the wheel is turned hard such as when I exit my driveway. For that reason I recommend the KW HAS kit which gives you allows you to adjust the front as well but is more expensive to do so. The rear -- links are links. Easy to adjust those and new links come in both the H&R and KW kits.
I agree with with you on the S model having better resale. With that said, you also pay for it up front.
Any thoughts on how long before they can be had for $50K? Everything Im seeing now is $55K+- and sellers seem to be firm on pricing. Im thinking I dont want to make the same mistake as I did with my first 63. I bought it from a dealer with warranty and then needed to sell it shortly after because baby seats didnt really fit. I took a good bath on it but i was able to jump into a super low mileage X5M as a trade off. Now we have baby seats in the wifes GLE and Im not sure I need an suv anymore.
it doesnt seem like the new model year is doing anything to depress the pricing of previous model years. Thoughts?
I agree with with you on the S model having better resale. With that said, you also pay for it up front.
Any thoughts on how long before they can be had for $50K? Everything I’m seeing now is $55K+- and sellers seem to be firm on pricing. I’m thinking I don’t want to make the same mistake as I did with my first 63. I bought it from a dealer with warranty and then needed to sell it shortly after because baby seats didn’t really fit. I took a good bath on it but i was able to jump into a super low mileage X5M as a trade off. Now we have baby seats in the wife’s GLE and I’m not sure I need an suv anymore.
it doesn’t seem like the new model year is doing anything to depress the pricing of previous model years. Thoughts?
I think the s model has an extra cooler through the front air dam, well theres 2 air opening mouths in the front bumper if im not mistaken the non e has one side blanked off where in the s model you can see 2 small radiators i believe there for the liquid inter cooler,I like the 2 myself extra cooling is better.somebody correct me if im wrong thanks
I agree with with you on the S model having better resale. With that said, you also pay for it up front.
Any thoughts on how long before they can be had for $50K? Everything Im seeing now is $55K+- and sellers seem to be firm on pricing. Im thinking I dont want to make the same mistake as I did with my first 63. I bought it from a dealer with warranty and then needed to sell it shortly after because baby seats didnt really fit. I took a good bath on it but i was able to jump into a super low mileage X5M as a trade off. Now we have baby seats in the wifes GLE and Im not sure I need an suv anymore.
it doesnt seem like the new model year is doing anything to depress the pricing of previous model years. Thoughts?
To get into one worth having for $50k you'd probably have to wait another 6-8 months but that's just a guess. I'm also going to venture a guess that prices wont move too much right now as we inch closer to next "car season" which typically see's a hike in prices on the sportier things. I say 6-8 months because after the season people offload toys before winter. I fall into that category where I tried selling mine before last winter, it didn't sell, so now I find that I'd rather keep it for a little longer as we get closer to having it out everyday. The kbb value of mine actually went up over the past 3 months (mainly because I keep the miles low). However, everything does depreciate especially AMG's. They aren't really something to call an investment. It is definitely a toy.
X5M's out of warranty are scary.
If I were you, I'd make sure that I really, really, wanted the car and to keep it long term before getting into another 63. The good news, 63's treat people well for the most part and have plenty of life in them to go long term. But as you said, if you find yourself in one then quickly having to get out of it you're going to lose some money.
I think the s model has an extra cooler through the front air dam, well theres 2 air opening mouths in the front bumper if im not mistaken the non e has one side blanked off where in the s model you can see 2 small radiators i believe there for the liquid inter cooler,I like the 2 myself extra cooling is better.somebody correct me if im wrong thanks
I have a bulletproof exclusionary policy on my M until 2021 or 130K miles. I just broke 45K miles so Im good for a while.
Genius point on off season purchase. I remember when I bought my 63 it came out of Chicago in the middle of winter, the dealer was desperate to sell it. Maybe Ill start seriously shopping during winter in states that are covered in snow..
My M is treating me well. Its got all the bells and whistles and is pushing 700HP, Im walking 95% of the cars I see..
<<Any thoughts on how long before they can be had for $50K?>>
By June, I suspect. CPO models with 30K or so mileage appear to be selling in the $57K to $59K range. Pricing pressure will continue to increase to the downside as the remainder of 2014 leases hit the market and 2015s start increasing used supply side pressure as well. 2014+ was essentially a new model and used supply has been relatively limited up until this point. I suspect you'll be rewarded for your patience.
There was a link posted somewhere here to mbusa describing exact differences, basically same car slightly more aggressive tune from the factory (~30hp), and a few cosmetic differences. Both cars after tune, dp, etc will will yield the same results. USA market did not get any RWD.
Find a good deal on either and jump on it, amazing car! https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...-s-2015-a.html
Haha yeah it's absolutely a fantastic car. It's my first M ever and I'm glad I got it. I got to see the difference of AMG and M. I can totally see now why there's fan boys on both sides. M's are insane for sure but they're missing one crucial ingredient, that toxic sound that comes from an AMG motor. I'll just never understand why BMW can't make a car that sounds good. Even that beast E60 M5 with a monster V10 sounds like absolute crap.
My M has a 4.4 TT V8. Even with Eisenmann it sounds like ****. The new AMG's have a 4.4 TT and they sound amazing. Wtf.
I think the above link was already posted but there was another thread within that thread. It has the differences between E63 and E63s in 2014, 2015 changes, and 2015 wagon. 2015 loses the powered headrest button so its a blank on the row of buttons with the heat seat. The 2014 one you linked has that button. I am looking for a 2015 one myself just for the powered mirror
2016 E63s has a new radio interface, if that is important to you.
Haha yeah it's absolutely a fantastic car. It's my first M ever and I'm glad I got it. I got to see the difference of AMG and M. I can totally see now why there's fan boys on both sides. M's are insane for sure but they're missing one crucial ingredient, that toxic sound that comes from an AMG motor. I'll just never understand why BMW can't make a car that sounds good. Even that beast E60 M5 with a monster V10 sounds like absolute crap.
My M has a 4.4 TT V8. Even with Eisenmann it sounds like ****. The new AMG's have a 4.4 TT and they sound amazing. Wtf.
Im really like the sound of the M6 in this video,I think it sounds more exotic than the AMGs , plus there much more tuner friendly and I miss the coding , there is something with Merc even if you throw 30k into it there isnt much difference in performance, you can get them into mid tens but never seen close to or in 9s like M cars , Even the Audi Rs3 is in the states less than a year and iroz Motorsports does 10.1 all day,Turbo down pipe, inter cooler , software, making 700whp out of a 5 cylinder, sorry off topic
Seeing pricing come down to low $50's for quality 14 "s".. I see a couple that can be had in the $40's. When i started searching 5 months ago the best i could find on a '14 was $56-$57. And it begins. My read is that by the end of summer, going into winter (especially mid west/east coast) I'll be able to find QUALITY optioned 14's in the mid $40 range.
Now the question is, is it worth to wait a bit longer for the 15's to come down to the $40's?
The 15 lease are starting to come back. I just picked one up for 70k, 10k miles. You could wait until its the price you want, or you grab it now. Picked 15 for the power side mirrors lol even though the 14s are way better priced for the same thing.
The 15 lease are starting to come back. I just picked one up for 70k, 10k miles. You could wait until its the price you want, or you grab it now. Picked 15 for the power side mirrors lol even though the 14s are way better priced for the same thing.
You got a brand new car as fast as I'm concerned.
But I'm curious, are power folding mirrors worth $25K more?? Haha
I have them on my X5M which is about as wide a car as they make. In all honesty, I never engage them. I'm always worried that if I do, some moron will think he has more room than he does, and he'll end up smashing into my car instead of just my mirror. I know it's not the ideal solution but I'd rather have to replace the mirror than my fenders and lights.
Speaking of, there's a 2014 S on eBay now, guys asking $50. I thought it was a great deal but I checked vin and there are two accidents recorded!! Poor car.
In general, definitely not. It was a must have because they offered it and its one of the harder modification post purchase. The CF exterior/night styling I could do on my own. Distronic, electronics, HUD (w213), are something I cannot. All my s-class had them from 220 to 222.2, so why couldnt the E-class?
Because I am forgetful, I like to look back at my car's side mirror to confirm I've locked my car. With my 2014 E350, if I convinced myself I didn't lock, then its all the way back to where I parked or within range of the remote. Its a small change, but a big one for me. If you have to have an E63, a 2014 is not lacking in anything else and its a bargain compared to the 15s' which last I checked are 65k+.
Started this thread just shy of two months ago and now the norm for 2014's is in the $40's; when we started I could not find one single 2014 under $50.
What's the difference between the S and the P? I think this is the second time I've seen a P. The first time i thought it was a typo, now thinking it was it purpose?
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