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Old 10-18-2018, 02:04 PM
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2016 E63s Wagon - CCB & CF package
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For 2016 there was no E63, only the E63S
I'm in the market too! But I want FastWgn's car, haha. I am specifically looking for a 2016 and specifically a wagon.

in my research i found that 2016MY has a much better COMMAND unit, with possibility of enabling Apple CarPlay, which is a huge bonus for me.

Also, 2016 appear to be free of the MCT jerkiness issue. I drove a few of these now and the 2016's do we feel smoother.

Good luck to us both!

PS - anyone want to trade me their E63 wagon for my 2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged + cash?
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I think those numbers are stock vs tuned? I wonder if those are tuned with downpipes or just ECU alone
But that doesn't make sense. The numbers on the bottom should match the graph lines on the top, that's why they're color-coordinated. I suppose you're right it could be a custom graph, but usually the lines and the numbers match up. Peter could tell us, it's his car. Renntech does say that my car put out 602 horsepower at the flywheel, as opposed to the 577 Mercedes claims. They say that all of the E63s are underreported 4 horsepower and torque.
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I'm in the market too! But I want FastWgn's car, haha. I am specifically looking for a 2016 and specifically a wagon.

PS - anyone want to trade me their E63 wagon for my 2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged + cash?
Sure - you can buy mine for trade and $80k in cash.....



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But that doesn't make sense. The numbers on the bottom should match the graph lines on the top, that's why they're color-coordinated. I suppose you're right it could be a custom graph, but usually the lines and the numbers match up. Peter could tell us, it's his car. Renntech does say that my car put out 602 horsepower at the flywheel, as opposed to the 577 Mercedes claims. They say that all of the E63s are underreported 4 horsepower and torque.
The w212 E63S are in fact higher in horsepower than marketed. Though my car is bone stock built it to my specs. When in the states, II'll stop by at Renntech I know John Bologna there. So I always in the know about what MB and Renntech do.
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Originally Posted by Kei2thehwy
The graph doesn't match the numbers??
green is stock ... hp curve and tq curve

blue and red are two runs after dyno tune only, no other mods

they all seem to match to me

all are wheel power numbers not the crank. Dynos are all different we know this ... the 1/4 or 1/2 mile is the test ultimately and the trap speed or some other measurement like 60-130

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Old 10-19-2018, 01:17 AM
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Now I get it. So Dynojet simply "tuned" your 2014 E63S to get those higher numbers. So at 602 WHP, your engine should be making around 750, right? Less 20%? But stock at 546 hp is only 10% below Renntech's claim of 602 engine hp, so maybe more like 669 at the crank, post-dynojet. But VERY impressive. Finally got back from my road trip (truck n trailer), took the Benz out tonight. Love it!
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I doubt these drivetrains lose 20%. I think its closer to 15%

That torque number is pretty crazy, usually it needs catless dp to get that
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See my numbers on the other thread: Tuned 2014 vs. Stock New. Thx!
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2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ecu tune; edok tcu tune; BB intakes; dyno tuned
The 2014 e63 also had a somewhat less restrictive exhaust system .. sdg1975 (?) mentioned this

historically mustang dynos read 12-15% lower than dynojets... with many believing that mustang dynos are more accurate

once again, true track numbers are the best evidence

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See my numbers on the other thread: Tuned 2014 vs. Stock New. Thx!
if we apply the 15% dynojet to mustang conversion .. then our numbers are similar
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if we apply the 15% dynojet to mustang conversion .. then our numbers are similar
Mustang? I thought you dyno'd the E63S.
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Mustang? I thought you dyno'd the E63S.
mustang brand dyno

dynojet brand dyno
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I doubt these drivetrains lose 20%. I think its closer to 15%

That torque number is pretty crazy, usually it needs catless dp to get that
the AMS guys say drive train loss is 13% on these cars from what i remember....
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the AMS guys say drive train loss is 13% on these cars from what i remember....
Renntech says 18-20% when I called them on 4matic
and 10-12% on 4matic+

rwd 2014 e63S euro is closer to 13% per renntech
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Originally Posted by Kei2thehwy
I haven't owned a supercar since I sold my 1996 911 TT in 2005 to purchase real estate in Cali (wrong!). I am always the 2nd or 3rd owner of my cars, bought one small car brand new just because. That said, I researched the sh*t out of these cars, and I love my 2014 E63S. Its loaded, comfortable on long trips, entertaining and super-fast. I saw that all the newer W212 E63s are 577hp. I defer to the expert owners here, but I prefer a big engine over a high-performance 4.0L, I'm just skeptical. If I hadn't wanted the extra hp & torque, I would've bought an actual 2012 6.3L. Waiting to tune it for 91 gas here in Cali, but I LOVE this car. It's perfect. Get the latest in the series, or a low mileage 2015, you're going to love it!!

Nice car, just picked up the same one in black. This one has the Carbon Ceramic Brakes.. really fun car to drive..

Wish I could take it outside LA more often for smoother/less congested roads




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Nice car, just picked up the same one in black. This one has the Carbon Ceramic Brakes.. really fun car to drive..

Wish I could take it outside LA more often for smoother/less congested roads

Sweet! I bet... I hammered mine around some back roads last night. Must remember that folks don't always look twice when pulling out! A guy broke his Audi in two and died a couple days ago. Have fun, be careful, dont get caught :-)
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Originally Posted by jvakos
the AMS guys say drive train loss is 13% on these cars from what i remember....

did AMS say 13% for rwd or awd e63s?
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So I am going to find a 2016 CPO and add a warranty...perfect! Thanks guys!
Best choice.
I just picked up a 2016 E63S Wagon and it was only $3k (Canadian) to extend the warranty to Nov 2022. Very much worth it.
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did AMS say 13% for rwd or awd e63s?
They said it was 13% drive train loss on the e63 AWD 14-16 models....sorry should have clarified.
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They said it was 13% drive train loss on the e63 AWD 14-16 models....sorry should have clarified.
sounds about right. I highly doubt it has 18-20 with the advancements in drivetrain efficiency over the years
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Renntech would disagree with you a little ...
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Renntech would disagree with you a little ...
Clearly AMS is in disagreement with them on this matter

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Clearly AMS is in disagreement with them on this matter
on this WE agree!! How you doing man? How's that cls63 with the tune?
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