Brand New Motor from MB!! Thank You Very Much
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yes, you are correct. Jake is doing most of the tunes now. Martin needed another tuner to help out a few years ago. He hired Jake and he's been doing an excellent job. Martin is the original developer of a lot of the tunes for mercedes but Jake has done tweaks to them since he's been taking over too. All the tunes Jake has done have been great.
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Ive been meaning to clarify with you that my original response about this entire topic was definitely not to put you down about having a tune on your car. You already picked your car up and the repair is done. The dealer will not go after you for the cost of the engine if Mercedes denies the claim. If mercedes decides to debit the cost of your repair because they see all this, the poor dealer who helped you out will be the ones eating the bill, and thats what had me concerned. My response was more to bring awareness that if you are going to let the internet know about modifications to your car, make sure it's not easy to find out the Vin of your car or your name. Basically hide anything that would help mercedes find out who you are easily. Blur out your license plates, and anything else they can use. Don't give a play by play of what the dealer is doing if you are hiding things like a tune. These cars are insane with tunes and basic mods. They make me and a lot of amg owners love them even more. I'm glad you received a brand new engine and didn't have to go through what some other people have had to go through. If (when) you decide to go with a tune after you break the engine in, please please please get a water/methanol injection kit. You will not be disappointed. These m157's love to ping and knock. That will pull ignition timing fast and flatline the power even though you might not feel it. It will also help keep the engine running safe lowering the chances of problems. These cars with a 50/50 mix of water and methanol......... beautiful. Install 2 nozzles on the charge pipes before the intercooler and you will instantly feel the difference. Especially on days above 60f.
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Ive been meaning to clarify with you that my original response about this entire topic was definitely not to put you down about having a tune on your car. You already picked your car up and the repair is done. The dealer will not go after you for the cost of the engine if Mercedes denies the claim. If mercedes decides to debit the cost of your repair because they see all this, the poor dealer who helped you out will be the ones eating the bill, and thats what had me concerned. My response was more to bring awareness that if you are going to let the internet know about modifications to your car, make sure it's not easy to find out the Vin of your car or your name. Basically hide anything that would help mercedes find out who you are easily. Blur out your license plates, and anything else they can use. Don't give a play by play of what the dealer is doing if you are hiding things like a tune. These cars are insane with tunes and basic mods. They make me and a lot of amg owners love them even more. I'm glad you received a brand new engine and didn't have to go through what some other people have had to go through. If (when) you decide to go with a tune after you break the engine in, please please please get a water/methanol injection kit. You will not be disappointed. These m157's love to ping and knock. That will pull ignition timing fast and flatline the power even though you might not feel it. It will also help keep the engine running safe lowering the chances of problems. These cars with a 50/50 mix of water and methanol......... beautiful. Install 2 nozzles on the charge pipes before the intercooler and you will instantly feel the difference. Especially on days above 60f.
Once again, thank you for your candor and advice. You have been very straight and I think have all learned some important, critical information.
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Ive been meaning to clarify with you that my original response about this entire topic was definitely not to put you down about having a tune on your car. You already picked your car up and the repair is done. The dealer will not go after you for the cost of the engine if Mercedes denies the claim. If mercedes decides to debit the cost of your repair because they see all this, the poor dealer who helped you out will be the ones eating the bill, and thats what had me concerned. My response was more to bring awareness that if you are going to let the internet know about modifications to your car, make sure it's not easy to find out the Vin of your car or your name. Basically hide anything that would help mercedes find out who you are easily. Blur out your license plates, and anything else they can use. Don't give a play by play of what the dealer is doing if you are hiding things like a tune. These cars are insane with tunes and basic mods. They make me and a lot of amg owners love them even more. I'm glad you received a brand new engine and didn't have to go through what some other people have had to go through. If (when) you decide to go with a tune after you break the engine in, please please please get a water/methanol injection kit. You will not be disappointed. These m157's love to ping and knock. That will pull ignition timing fast and flatline the power even though you might not feel it. It will also help keep the engine running safe lowering the chances of problems. These cars with a 50/50 mix of water and methanol......... beautiful. Install 2 nozzles on the charge pipes before the intercooler and you will instantly feel the difference. Especially on days above 60f.
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mbmastertech - really appreciate your insights here and honesty. i didnt realize the water/methanol injection kit was a better/safer add on to a tuned m157. thats interesting... so does the tuner typically provide their water/methanol kit and incorporate that in to their tune? if not, does the tune needs to be adjusted for an after market water/methanol kit?? my apologies in advance for what maybe novice question about water/meth kits..
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Ive been meaning to clarify with you that my original response about this entire topic was definitely not to put you down about having a tune on your car. You already picked your car up and the repair is done. The dealer will not go after you for the cost of the engine if Mercedes denies the claim. If mercedes decides to debit the cost of your repair because they see all this, the poor dealer who helped you out will be the ones eating the bill, and thats what had me concerned. My response was more to bring awareness that if you are going to let the internet know about modifications to your car, make sure it's not easy to find out the Vin of your car or your name. Basically hide anything that would help mercedes find out who you are easily. Blur out your license plates, and anything else they can use. Don't give a play by play of what the dealer is doing if you are hiding things like a tune. These cars are insane with tunes and basic mods. They make me and a lot of amg owners love them even more. I'm glad you received a brand new engine and didn't have to go through what some other people have had to go through. If (when) you decide to go with a tune after you break the engine in, please please please get a water/methanol injection kit. You will not be disappointed. These m157's love to ping and knock. That will pull ignition timing fast and flatline the power even though you might not feel it. It will also help keep the engine running safe lowering the chances of problems. These cars with a 50/50 mix of water and methanol......... beautiful. Install 2 nozzles on the charge pipes before the intercooler and you will instantly feel the difference. Especially on days above 60f.
1) Wouldn't adding the methanol kit also void any warranties? main warranty/extended warranty?
2) Can you recommend a particular kit? What would be a typical time/cost for installation as I don't turn wrenches at this level any longer.
Thanks
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i personally like the AEM kit (30-3300). Installation can be anywhere from a few hours to a full day depending on how detailed or hidden you want everything.
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LOL. Your warranty claims can be denied long before you get to the point of using meth injection.
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I’m glad you got your engine covered, I don’t know if you guys watch Tasos on YouTube but I seen at least 10 rebuilds he did on the M157 and all of them had the same result of bent connecting rods that leads to the scoring on the cylinder walls, by looking at those pics you can see the pistons are off center,I think he rebuilt a stock engine no tune and it had bent rods , these vids completely changed my mind on tuning the car, so on all his rebuilds he was putting an upgraded aftermarket set of pistons and Rods , everything else is solid
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I’m glad you got your engine covered, I don’t know if you guys watch Tasos on YouTube but I seen at least 10 rebuilds he did on the M157 and all of them had the same result of bent connecting rods that leads to the scoring on the cylinder walls, by looking at those pics you can see the pistons are off center,I think he rebuilt a stock engine no tune and it had bent rods , these vids completely changed my mind on tuning the car, so on all his rebuilds he was putting an upgraded aftermarket set of pistons and Rods , everything else is solid
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I’m glad you got your engine covered, I don’t know if you guys watch Tasos on YouTube but I seen at least 10 rebuilds he did on the M157 and all of them had the same result of bent connecting rods that leads to the scoring on the cylinder walls, by looking at those pics you can see the pistons are off center,I think he rebuilt a stock engine no tune and it had bent rods , these vids completely changed my mind on tuning the car, so on all his rebuilds he was putting an upgraded aftermarket set of pistons and Rods , everything else is solid
To be clear, I am not trying to talk you into a tune. If you don't like the idea, by all means don't do it. I just think everyone needs to know all sides and make educated decisions for themselves.
Lastly, as I and others have previously mentioned on this thread, the subject of the risks of a tune should be addressed in a separate thread. This thread keeps getting hijacked about tunes. The real point of this thread, as I was the OP, was to point out how well MB came through for a customer.
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Also there is probably data that we the consumer will ever know about why or how benz decides to warranty and engine replacement. So long as the customer is taken care of, no need for the customer to know why they are paying for the repair. Benz is a good company in my book
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Also there is probably data that we the consumer will ever know about why or how benz decides to warranty and engine replacement. So long as the customer is taken care of, no need for the customer to know why they are paying for the repair. Benz is a good company in my book
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I’m glad you got your engine covered, I don’t know if you guys watch Tasos on YouTube but I seen at least 10 rebuilds he did on the M157 and all of them had the same result of bent connecting rods that leads to the scoring on the cylinder walls, by looking at those pics you can see the pistons are off center,I think he rebuilt a stock engine no tune and it had bent rods , these vids completely changed my mind on tuning the car, so on all his rebuilds he was putting an upgraded aftermarket set of pistons and Rods , everything else is solid
To be fair, his customers seem to be operating heavy modified M157 in extreme conditions, with tuners who are usually 'custom' tuned and unknown based with custom turbo setups, as seen in some of his videos, the shops and builds that some of the cars that he sees are of VERY LOW QUALITY.
So i wouldn't compare some of his findings to be a common thing with us here in the states that usually run normal bolt on cars with good fueling, with more 'known' tuners in less extreme conditions. Bend rods isnt that common tbh on this motor.
In this specific case whether the tune or something else was the case of failure we will never know as there wasn't a in depth investigation tearing down that motor. but from what i have seen there is a few opinions that can me made for sure.
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