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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 02:42 PM
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Correct our "94" is not 94. <- EDIT: if the Autotrader article is wrong, I am wrong. Can't research it too confusing. Scientists step up please! >

But since "94' is the best crappy gas we get, I will get "91" at Shell only if I cannot get "94" at Petro Canada.
well, hopefully you are wrong and it’s truly 94.

I never heard ears of Canadian gas being any different than US lol
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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 05:09 PM
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I've got a European 71 Benz that recommends 96 octane. What does that mean? Here's an excerpt from an article:

In Europe, the octane rating on the pump is simply the RON figure. America, by contrast, uses the average of the RON and the MON figures, called the AKI (anti-knock index). Thus, 97 octane “super unleaded” in Britain is roughly equivalent to 91 octane premium in the United States.
https://www.economist.com/babbage/20...-needs-premium

My guess is that Canada copies this model and the number you see is just the RON, so 94 Canada is likely 89 US.
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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fever
I've got a European 71 Benz that recommends 96 octane. What does that mean? Here's an excerpt from an article:

In Europe, the octane rating on the pump is simply the RON figure. America, by contrast, uses the average of the RON and the MON figures, called the AKI (anti-knock index). Thus, 97 octane “super unleaded” in Britain is roughly equivalent to 91 octane premium in the United States.
https://www.economist.com/babbage/20...-needs-premium

My guess is that Canada copies this model and the number you see is just the RON, so 94 Canada is likely 89 US.
No, this is not correct. Canada calculates octane rating as (RON + MON) / 2, the same as the USA.
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Old Apr 5, 2019 | 05:39 PM
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That's good, then. That would put the 94 as better than our best normal premium of 93. Wonder why that shop recommended the lower US octane. Bad information.

Originally Posted by HPMan
No, this is not correct. Canada calculates octane rating as (RON + MON) / 2, the same as the USA.
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 11:46 PM
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That's good, then. That would put the 94 as better than our best normal premium of 93. Wonder why that shop recommended the lower US octane. Bad information.
its probably recommending it was a minimum requirement, not necessarily the best for it.
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Old Apr 7, 2019 | 11:47 PM
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No, this is not correct. Canada calculates octane rating as (RON + MON) / 2, the same as the USA.
+1. I do believe our 94 is true 94, and it should be accurately, 1 octane higher than US93 which we also have here.
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Old Oct 18, 2020 | 03:57 PM
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i am trying to see what difference the car makes from 0 to 100km . or 0 to 60miles with stock vs stage 1 and stage 2 eurocharged
sorry for the silly question
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Old Oct 18, 2020 | 06:50 PM
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i am trying to see what difference the car makes from 0 to 100km . or 0 to 60miles with stock vs stage 1 and stage 2 eurocharged
sorry for the silly question
Huh???
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Old Oct 18, 2020 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
Huh???
He wants to know how much improvement there is in the 0-60 time for the EC stage1 & stage2 tunes, compared to the stock 0-60 time.

It looks like he has an e550, so that's probably which tune he's asking about ... maybe you'd know.
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 01:52 AM
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If you are wanting to improve your 0-60 times you need to be considering a TCU tune. The ECU tune, regardless of brand, is really hog tied in the lower gears due to the stock TCU torque management. To improve times you need to raise the limits in the lower gears. Even cars with stock ECU see benefit from a TCU tune.
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Originally Posted by brutus_tx
If you are wanting to improve your 0-60 times you need to be considering a TCU tune. The ECU tune, regardless of brand, is really hog tied in the lower gears due to the stock TCU torque management. To improve times you need to raise the limits in the lower gears. Even cars with stock ECU see benefit from a TCU tune.
Eurocharged canada also have tcu tune ?
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 10:29 AM
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Eurocharged canada also have tcu tune ?
Yes. EC Canada have had their TCU tune available for some time. Contact them for more info.
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by billvp218
He wants to know how much improvement there is in the 0-60 time for the EC stage1 & stage2 tunes, compared to the stock 0-60 time.

It looks like he has an e550, so that's probably which tune he's asking about ... maybe you'd know.
Ah... I run 3.5 0-60, but I'm on a custom tune and TCU tune. Stock Sedan is 4.5 sec 0-60. not sure what stage 1 or 2 times are, I didn't have a Draggy back then...but if I had to guess, without a TCU tune, I'd say probably 4.2-4.3 at stage 1 and 4.0-4.1 for stage 2??? But like I said, those are guesses.
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 12:15 PM
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Ah... I run 3.5 0-60, but I'm on a custom tune and TCU tune. Stock Sedan is 4.5 sec 0-60. not sure what stage 1 or 2 times are, I didn't have a Draggy back then...but if I had to guess, without a TCU tune, I'd say probably 4.2-4.3 at stage 1 and 4.0-4.1 for stage 2??? But like I said, those are guesses.
When we were exploring TCU tunes originally we put a ECU tuned E63S up against a stock ECU but TCU tuned equivalent E63S, and the stock TCU tuned car walked the ECU tuned car. It was ridiculous the difference in performance. After witnessing this performance gap I changed my opinion of the order of modifications which were "best bang for buck", with the TCU coming out on top over the ECU as a first mod...
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by brutus_tx
When we were exploring TCU tunes originally we put a ECU tuned E63S up against a stock ECU but TCU tuned equivalent E63S, and the stock TCU tuned car walked the ECU tuned car. It was ridiculous the difference in performance. After witnessing this performance gap I changed my opinion of the order of modifications which were "best bang for buck", with the TCU coming out on top over the ECU as a first mod...
I would have to agree with this. TCU tune cut almost a half second from my 1/4 mile times. More than stage 1/2 ECU tunes for sure. Stage 3+ ECU tune was about the same(0.4 sec).
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Old Oct 19, 2020 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by brutus_tx
When we were exploring TCU tunes originally we put a ECU tuned E63S up against a stock ECU but TCU tuned equivalent E63S, and the stock TCU tuned car walked the ECU tuned car. It was ridiculous the difference in performance. After witnessing this performance gap I changed my opinion of the order of modifications which were "best bang for buck", with the TCU coming out on top over the ECU as a first mod...
I agree. I'm starting over, and so far my stock car is running 123mph. I might try an airbox first, and see if I can't get 124 125 out of it before a TCU tune. Seems like 123mph is pretty heathy for a stock car, I predict low 11's on stock ECU with a TCU tune.
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I loved the tcu tune letting light up four tires lol
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I loved the tcu tune letting light up four tires lol
I can see the attraction at times, and on a sticky track & with sticky tires maybe it doesn't matter ... but some people prefer a high-power car to be AWD specifically so that traction is not a concern.
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I can see the attraction at times, and on a sticky track & with sticky tires maybe it doesn't matter ... but some people prefer a high-power car to be AWD specifically so that traction is not a concern.
So true, I've been to the track with my e30 tune and tcu tune and the numbers are real. 60ft times are 1.6x
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