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Old 06-25-2019, 01:54 PM
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Chiro is about 10.6 @ 133 on ms109 tune and stock everything else I think
You sure he’s not running catless to get those numbers?
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You sure he’s not running catless to get those numbers?
Chiro has an RS7, now...
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stock exhaust with cats too? That is amazing for the Audi. F90 M5 also running strong with Factory turbos and exhaust.

I'd be very curious to see how E63 with AMS ms109 tune runs on OEM turbos. I feel like the Trap speed will be close.
I have a pretty hot ms109 tune for my stock turbo car... I really need to make time to get to the track.
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Chiro has an RS7, now...
I know I’m asking if the RS7 still needs catless to get that or just tuned only
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The RS7 is so intuitive that merely the thought of going faster along with the higher octane fuel allows you to pull sub 1.5 sec 60' and low 10's. If you were not aware, the RS7 is the greatest automotive accomplishment in the history of mankind. Each Audi leaves the factory with an in person blessing of the Pope. The pistons are.forged from the finest unobtainium mined from the moons of Pandora. The engine builders use Tabitian monk tears as initial break-in lubrication. Each cow hide is selected from the finest Corinthian leather by no other than Ricardo Montalban. Yes, he is still alive and working in a top secret laboratory in the Audi factory. Only he can choose the best leather for the Audi seats. The seat threads are made from strands of angel hair woven on, what some say, is a loom made by aliens of an unknown substance. The same alien technology is used to make the trannys. Each gear of the tranny has a tolerance of .000000000000000000001 of a millimeter. The transmissions have never been tested for max torque but I hear it can take the power generated by a large nuclear power plant and is often used to drive the steam generators.
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The RS7 is so intuitive that merely the thought of going faster along with the higher octane fuel allows you to pull sub 1.5 sec 60' and low 10's. If you were not aware, the RS7 is the greatest automotive accomplishment in the history of mankind. Each Audi leaves the factory with an in person blessing of the Pope. The pistons are.forged from the finest unobtainium mined from the moons of Pandora. The engine builders use Tabitian monk tears as initial break-in lubrication. Each cow hide is selected from the finest Corinthian leather by no other than Ricardo Montalban. Yes, he is still alive and working in a top secret laboratory in the Audi factory. Only he can choose the best leather for the Audi seats. The seat threads are made from strands of angel hair woven on, what some say, is a loom made by aliens of an unknown substance. The same alien technology is used to make the trannys. Each gear of the tranny has a tolerance of .000000000000000000001 of a millimeter. The transmissions have never been tested for max torque but I hear it can take the power generated by a large nuclear power plant and is often used to drive the steam generators.
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Nice time OP. One of the quickest W212s I've seen. That's a lot of $$$ for AMS parts though.
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Nice times. What boost level are you running on the race gas tune? Also, what's the dyno look like with the Alpha 9 turbos and supporting mods?
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Nice times. What boost level are you running on the race gas tune? Also, what's the dyno look like with the Alpha 9 turbos and supporting mods?
Not sure on boost levels. I’m going to install a zetronics etc. type data logger in the near future.
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You sure he’s not running catless to get those numbers?
Ok he's tune and catless, stage 2:

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Not sure on boost levels. I’m going to install a zetronics etc. type data logger in the near future.
AMS should be able to tell you what boost level the runs were tuned at. Is the 720whp run a pump gas tune, or something else? That 720whp run looks alot like the 22psi run I have on Pure turbos w/ pump gas, although Eurocharged recommended to leave it at 20psi since the car pulled timing after a few pump-gas runs at 22psi.
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Originally Posted by Tonypw
Not sure on boost levels. I’m going to install a zetronics etc. type data logger in the near future.
phenomenal numbers. that torque curve....well, its not really even a curve.....its just beautiful. almost completely flat once at full boost. much, much different than most of the tuned graphs i've seen where the tq spikes and then falls off a cliff.
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phenomenal numbers. that torque curve....well, its not really even a curve.....its just beautiful. almost completely flat once at full boost. much, much different than most of the tuned graphs i've seen where the tq spikes and then falls off a cliff.
It's definitely a nice graph. You may be comparing it to stock turbo graphs though, which run out of steam at high rpms.
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Originally Posted by billvp218
It's definitely a nice graph. You may be comparing it to stock turbo graphs though, which run out of steam at high rpms.
nah. im talking about torque. im used to seeing the torque peak at 2500 or so and then fall off by the 5252 meeting point....on tuned M157s. not only that, but the hp seems to peak well before redline in other tunes, as well. for instance, Peter's AMS tune (to be clear, this isnt to disparage @PeterUbers. just a similar example)...



or this one from EC...



or this one...




notice how they all drop about 100tq or more from peak to 5252? Tony's tune doesnt seem to do that. and his hp seems to climb, later, than the other tunes. probably due to the race gas? maybe the combo of components. regardless, i was just commenting on how flat, comparatively, his tq curve was/is...
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I still think it's the turbos - the high early tq stock-turbo tunes is at a boost level the stock turbos can't come close to holding at higher rpms - and they're dropping off well before 5000 rpm. My 22psi pump gas tune from Eurocharged (w/ stg2 Pure turbos) looks just like the red graph on the posted Alpha9 dyno. That's one of the main reasons I was asking boost level and whether that's a pump gas tune. My understanding is that the Eurocharged stock-turbo stage2 tune that is commonly seen is also at 22psi peak, to give a comparison.

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I still think it's the turbos - the high early tq stock-turbo tunes is at a boost level the stock turbos can't come close to holding at higher rpms - and they're dropping off well before 5000 rpm. My 22psi pump gas tune from Eurocharged (w/ stg2 Pure turbos) looks just like the red graph on the posted Alpha9 dyno. That's one of the main reasons I was asking boost level and whether that's a pump gas tune. My understanding is that the Eurocharged stock-turbo chart that you posted is also at 22psi peak, to give a comparison.
****!!! i thought he was on stock turbos. now i get it!!! my bad, man. that makes all the difference in the world. disregard all the uninformed gibberish that i said, earlier.
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Originally Posted by billvp218
AMS should be able to tell you what boost level the runs were tuned at. Is the 720whp run a pump gas tune, or something else? That 720whp run looks alot like the 22psi run I have on Pure turbos w/ pump gas, although Eurocharged recommended to leave it at 20psi since the car pulled timing after a few pump-gas runs at 22psi.
The 720 whp run is on 93. I honestly think this car has more in it. In the video I could hear my tires spinning in 1st. I should have adjusted tire pressure and put ice in the trunk tank. In the fall I’ll run it again when temps are down.
The power delivery is very smooth on wot, seat of the pants does not feel fast compared to the stocks turbo’s that put the torque down low
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Have you ran it with the 93 octane tune & gas for a comparison between the two?
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[QUOTE=billvp218;7791768]Have you ran it with the 93 octane tune & gas for a comparison between the two?[/QUOTE


I ran a 11 on 93 with street tires, outdoor temps around 75 degrees. Only got 3 runs in. Yes, this did not impress me.
I did gain about 4 mph in the 1/4 mile versus the last turbo’s and tune. I would love to find out how much boost I was making on those runs.
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