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Old May 18, 2023 | 01:44 PM
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My 2023 is supposed to be here any week. I'm having a hard time deciding if I should de-mod now and sell, or drag it out try and sell to another enthusiast. I mean just my ECU TCU tunes are worth $ and VIN locked, I'm sure someone would want those? Never mind the CCB's and all the other crap I've done. I added up my receipts for the last year on mods and new parts and I have close to $30k of just optional stuff done like ILS, carplay, etc. etc. - Whoops! LOL.

Has anyone had success finding someone who appreciates all this stuff or am I fooling myself and the mods actually de-value the car? I think I know the answer is I need to suck up losing the tune money and just put it all back to stock to get the best price? But I also don't want to feel like I'm tricking anyone and ripping them off passing the car as stock. I'm proud of the mods and how well I've taken care of the car...
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Old May 18, 2023 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
My 2023 is supposed to be here any week. I'm having a hard time deciding if I should de-mod now and sell, or drag it out try and sell to another enthusiast. I mean just my ECU TCU tunes are worth $ and VIN locked, I'm sure someone would want those? Never mind the CCB's and all the other crap I've done. I added up my receipts for the last year on mods and new parts and I have close to $30k of just optional stuff done like ILS, carplay, etc. etc. - Whoops! LOL.

Has anyone had success finding someone who appreciates all this stuff or am I fooling myself and the mods actually de-value the car? I think I know the answer is I need to suck up losing the tune money and just put it all back to stock to get the best price? But I also don't want to feel like I'm tricking anyone and ripping them off passing the car as stock. I'm proud of the mods and how well I've taken care of the car...
It depends.
Imo, mods 'narrow 'the market.
Meaning, (in simple terms) if there are 1000 buyers nation wide, nearly all 1000 will consider stock unmolested cars.
And out of those 1000, only 100 will consider a tuned car.
So, less demand either translates into slower sale, or lower price.
Having said that, if it's spec just right, and it lines up with one of those hundred that wants a tuned car. They may be willing to pay much more if it's exactly what they would have built themselves.

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Old May 19, 2023 | 02:51 PM
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Well IT if you want to sell those DPs let me know!
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Old May 19, 2023 | 03:00 PM
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How much for the brakes 😎
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Old May 19, 2023 | 05:08 PM
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I agree with Kenney's answer. I think it's exactly right.

I ended up buying a 2018 M3 this year for near top of market money because it had a metric f*ck ton of mods already done to it - almost all of them that I would have done under my ownership over time. So, that ended up saving me a bunch of money, long term.

I'd say if you are patient, keep it as-is and try to sell modded. If you lose patience, make it stock and call it a day. Up to you, of course.
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Old May 19, 2023 | 06:10 PM
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@kenneyd That's the pickle, finding someone else who cares and actually trusts I did everything "right" and it's not some ghetto modded out trashed car. I just put $2,400 new under trays everywhere for example. As for the brakes - I have a few options 1) move the fronts to the new car, still need to buy CAD$12k new rears unless I can make sure these newer rear singe piston SL63's brakes I found are a match or 2) buy $24k new fronts and rears for the new car or 3) forget CCB's for now and enjoy brake dust again for 50-60k. Realistically I don't think I'll recoup any CCB money leaving them on my car, my perception is most people are scared of used CCB's.

Man I was set on keeping this car forever then after 2 years of my dealer saying "never again" they said "hey one more batch, you in?" LOLZ
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Old May 19, 2023 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kenneyd
It depends.
Imo, mods 'narrow 'the market.
Meaning, (in simple terms) if there are 1000 buyers nation wide, nearly all 1000 will consider stock unmolested cars.
And out of those 1000, only 100 will consider a tuned car.
So, less demand either translates into slower sale, or lower price.
Having said that, if it's spec just right, and it lines up with one of those hundred that wants a tuned car. They may be willing to pay much more if it's exactly what they would have built themselves.

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Spot on, I like to mod cars and I personally would stay away from a modded car because I wouldn’t know how much the car was driven hard. Any “fast car” may have been driven hard but when it’s modded it’s more likely and can lose potential buyers.

If you’re looking to mod a car, buying one that is fully or mostly done kind of takes the fun out of doing it yourself.

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Old May 19, 2023 | 10:30 PM
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I agree with many of the answers posted on here.
IMO, mods, in most cases, only depreciate the car/repel many buyers. Rarely do they add value during resell. I'd say the $ spent on tunes is gone. Hardware could be removed and sold separately to make back the most $.
I am sadden to see you move on from this ride!
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Old May 20, 2023 | 08:10 AM
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I might also say that the older the car, the more a stock, well kept example adds value. A later model car like the W212 it probably goes either way as Kenney said.

The actual presentation of the car (the ad) also can make a huge difference. Focus on the car being well kept and perhaps the overall care and less on just trying to itemize every last mod.
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Old May 20, 2023 | 09:10 AM
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I am sadden to see you move on from this ride!
Me too, I’m torn.
These cars are ridiculously good.
Ferrari Maclaren Lamborghini performance with warranty reliability huge dealer network and “cheap” parts.
The E63 does 98% of what all the exotics do, in comfort, with cargo space.
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Old May 20, 2023 | 10:08 AM
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Your mods are all very desirable especially the CCB's but the thing that would limit the market be the mileage. Since all your mods are documented and done within the last few months, I don't think that would deter anyone from buying the car

Many people do want the car that's already done and maintained and you have a nicely maintained wagon so I'd say, just advertise it here and wait for the right person.

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Old May 20, 2023 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
@kenneyd That's the pickle, finding someone else who cares and actually trusts I did everything "right" and it's not some ghetto modded out trashed car. I just put $2,400 new under trays everywhere for example. As for the brakes - I have a few options 1) move the fronts to the new car, still need to buy CAD$12k new rears unless I can make sure these newer rear singe piston SL63's brakes I found are a match or 2) buy $24k new fronts and rears for the new car or 3) forget CCB's for now and enjoy brake dust again for 50-60k. Realistically I don't think I'll recoup any CCB money leaving them on my car, my perception is most people are scared of used CCB's.

Man I was set on keeping this car forever then after 2 years of my dealer saying "never again" they said "hey one more batch, you in?" LOLZ
I just had a thought - you might want to wait until you actually receive delivery of the new E63. I have heard of examples where the dealer comes back to the person and states that the order was canceled or modified for whatever reason. Especially lately with the chip shortage, some of the options are deleted from the order sheet, and the owner doesn't know until time to take delivery. So, just to play it safe - might be worth it to hold for a bit.
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Old May 20, 2023 | 04:29 PM
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I bought mine modded. I’m going to sell it that way too.
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Old May 30, 2023 | 12:32 PM
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Alright it's time to try and sell this
What's it worth?
It's in mint mint mint condition except standard small rock chips any 7 year old car will get. Exterior just corrected and sealed, interior conditioned and sealed. People are shocked when they see it and I tell them the km's

NEW ENGINE 2019 crate from Mercedes installed by Mercedes
CCB's in 2022 brand new CCB front calipers 2022
All new under trays, new OEM switches all switches and interior 100% perfect
New Intercooler pump
New propeller shaft, hanger bearing, new wheel bearings, new axels, coolant lines done
CPS perfectly dry
There's more new stuff too I am in the process of finding all my dealer receipts I am forgetting a lot for sure

185,000 kms, (115,000 miles)
110,000kms (68,000 miles) on the new engine
at 160,000 kms dealer and I went thru EVERYTIHNG and replaced everything we could under warranty
1 year left on a 2 year unlimited km aftermarket warranty - includes full inspection that was done prior to warranty purchase

Problems: NONE! Except cosmetic. Paint rock chips on the front end, under valence scrapes seen under the car from normal daily driving, right rear bumper a little spidered paint can't see it unless I point to it, tints inside the cargo area minor dings and scratches because I use the thing like it's supposed to be used ie: moving stuff really FAST. Rear cupholder is dinked again from the kids, I just keep it closed. Driver's top bridge pipe to cat hole is stripped - fixed with new bolt and a nut.

Mods
KW HAS
Black Boost Intake
CCB Brakes
Kooks Downpipes
PLM Heat Exchanger
ILS Activation
Carpaly and Android activation and wireless dongle
Winter Rims and Rubber
ECC Slav tunes:
93 Stage 2
E40 Stage 1
TCU
HPTuners logging - I think I can keep this for the W213 I am finding out, if not it will go with the car


What do you all think it is worth?!

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Old May 30, 2023 | 01:05 PM
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Have you run a carfax on it? Does it come up as clean?

Also, IDK if it's the same for Canada, but it may be worth taking a couple of minutes and checking Carmax, Vroom, and Carvana to see what they offer. That would set your low end, at the least.
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Old May 30, 2023 | 03:22 PM
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Good point! Carfax is NOT clean the car has a minor, right rear a few days after put in service.

I've found some local cars for sale but don't know if they are smoking crack fishing, or, if that's what the prices are. For example one dealer offered me CAD$26k, Autotrader has a 2014 with lower miles and clean carfax for $89k. BAT historical looks around USD$50-60k but it is hard for me to comp there as it's all USD and I don't know how to export my car.
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Alright it's time to try and sell this
What's it worth?
It's in mint mint mint condition except standard small rock chips any 7 year old car will get. Exterior just corrected and sealed, interior conditioned and sealed. People are shocked when they see it and I tell them the km's

NEW ENGINE 2019 crate from Mercedes installed by Mercedes
CCB's in 2022 brand new CCB front calipers 2022
All new under trays, new OEM switches all switches and interior 100% perfect
New Intercooler pump
New propeller shaft, hanger bearing, new wheel bearings, new axels, coolant lines done
CPS perfectly dry
There's more new stuff too I am in the process of finding all my dealer receipts I am forgetting a lot for sure

185,000 kms, (115,000 miles)
110,000kms (68,000 miles) on the new engine
at 160,000 kms dealer and I went thru EVERYTIHNG and replaced everything we could under warranty
1 year left on a 2 year unlimited km aftermarket warranty - includes full inspection that was done prior to warranty purchase

Problems: NONE! Except cosmetic. Paint rock chips on the front end, under valence scrapes seen under the car from normal daily driving, right rear bumper a little spidered paint can't see it unless I point to it, tints inside the cargo area minor dings and scratches because I use the thing like it's supposed to be used ie: moving stuff really FAST. Rear cupholder is dinked again from the kids, I just keep it closed.

Mods
KW HAS
Black Boost Intake
CCB Brakes
Kooks Downpipes
PLM Heat Exchanger
ILS Activation
Carpaly and Android activation and wireless dongle
Winter Rims and Rubber
ECC Slav tunes:
93 Stage 2
E40 Stage 1
TCU
HPTuners logging - I think I can keep this for the W213 I am finding out, if not it will go with the car


What do you all think it is worth?!
Decent vehicle, I would try and pull up a Canadian Black Book value, Kelly Blue Book value (Canada), CanadaDrives?, Clutch, etc.

Curious though, what happened to the engine that required complete replacement?
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What do you think of the Kooks ? Had them use my old 200 Landcruiser as the beta for building a set of Headers and exhasut, really nice build quality but curious how their design worked for the AMG.... just picked up a 16' Wagon .....
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What do you think of the Kooks ? Had them use my old 200 Landcruiser as the beta for building a set of Headers and exhasut, really nice build quality but curious how their design worked for the AMG.... just picked up a 16' Wagon .....
Very good mandrel bent single piece quality stainless no rust (no welding of 50 pieces together like other vendors) fit perfect top notch easy to install no tweaks required.
Highly recommended!
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I could be interested in the forged wheels if you are selling them (the ones in your little profile pic). (While we are starting to circle like vultures... LOL)
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Funny at the Mercedes club season opener last weekend I stuck a for sale sign on it and had delusions of grandeur of selling it for top dollar that day.
Every phone call, text, message I received was "Can I buy your wheels" and "Can I buy your brakes".
Car did not sell.
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Funny at the Mercedes club season opener last weekend I stuck a for sale sign on it and had delusions of grandeur of selling it for top dollar that day.
Every phone call, text, message I received was "Can I buy your wheels" and "Can I buy your brakes".
Car did not sell.
Oh yeah - if you can sell locally - go for that! But, if they're starting to gather dust... I'm hanging around. haha
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Thanks for the reply on the kooks - how was Install ?
Shop said it's a SOB for the oxygen sensors see @kenneyd video at the 2:00 mark

And they pulled the threads out of the top hole on the drivers bridge pipe so they had to use a slightly smaller new bolt and a nut on the other side, since the bridge pipe now has one hole stripped. (And for anyone looking at my car I will add this to the list of "what's not right" - thanks for reminding me). No Leaks all good the problem was just old exhaust and time and and the shop being IMHO impatient. I'm sure if they didn't just try to gun the bolt out it could have been finessed it out eventually.

Not a job for me. Not hard, but really annoying if things go wrong. I stopped working on old exhausts myself 20 years ago
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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
Funny at the Mercedes club season opener last weekend I stuck a for sale sign on it and had delusions of grandeur of selling it for top dollar that day.
Every phone call, text, message I received was "Can I buy your wheels" and "Can I buy your brakes".
Car did not sell.
I mean you are starting to earn back some cost you placed on the mods by selling them one by one I guess, but the problem is you also need to have the OEM parts otherwise if you sell the aftermarket ones, like aftermarket wheels, how can you sell the car without wheels
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