2017 W213 E63 AMG to have AWD system that can send 100% torque to the rear?
10-25-2016, 03:40 PM
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I have been racing cars before you were born. Many factors contribute to optimal 1/4 mile times.
People always blame the car for their crap reflexes. The fact is genius that most people do 1.7 to 1.8 60 foot times and a lot of it is... TIRES.
So going from a 1.8 to 1.6 60' foot isn't going to guarantee you an 11.1. An 11.4 yes, an 11.1, ummm no.
People always blame the car for their crap reflexes. The fact is genius that most people do 1.7 to 1.8 60 foot times and a lot of it is... TIRES.
So going from a 1.8 to 1.6 60' foot isn't going to guarantee you an 11.1. An 11.4 yes, an 11.1, ummm no.
Again, you're clueless...and doing a great job proving it. Reflexes have to do with reaction time and have NOTHING to do with 60ft times. Tires do play a big role in 60ft times but it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. However, we used to cut low 1.7s on street tires in the 55s. These cars even in AWD form aren't doing that. Hp per hp, right now the E55 is quicker than the E63...all because of the launch.
Many times whatever time you drop off your 60ft time is worth double on the top end so yes, an 11.5 can easily turn into an 11.1 if your 60ft drops from 1.8 to 1.6. Again, simple drag racing knowledge for those that actually spent time at the track.
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10-25-2016, 04:01 PM
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You're a joke.
RS7s don't typically trap 131-133 genius. They are AWD. A highly tuned E63 S will run trap speeds very consistent with a highly tuned RS7.
M5s trap that high but struggle to break past high 11's due to traction problems. They simply do not hook up that well and it takes tons of practice to even get a decent 0-60 out them.
There is a reason why the next M5 is going to be AWD Gasbag.
RS7s don't typically trap 131-133 genius. They are AWD. A highly tuned E63 S will run trap speeds very consistent with a highly tuned RS7.
M5s trap that high but struggle to break past high 11's due to traction problems. They simply do not hook up that well and it takes tons of practice to even get a decent 0-60 out them.
There is a reason why the next M5 is going to be AWD Gasbag.
btw, no ones is debating AWD vs RWD M5's so kinda pointless statement...
10-25-2016, 04:03 PM
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10-25-2016, 04:10 PM
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2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ecu tune; edok tcu tune; BB intakes; dyno tuned
yeah you've racing them on grand theft auto... that's not real life btw
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10-25-2016, 04:14 PM
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yeah you've racing them on grand theft auto... that's not real life btw
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10-25-2016, 08:19 PM
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no that shows these cars have lots of power and can make up for a crappy launch and still run a decent time
a car with our car's power tuned should be trapping 131-133 like tuned M5's and tuned RS7's , but we arent, we are trapping 125-127 tuned... explain that race master
a car with our car's power tuned should be trapping 131-133 like tuned M5's and tuned RS7's , but we arent, we are trapping 125-127 tuned... explain that race master
and m5 at 131, isn't that only on ms109 or meth?
also, renntech used to have a tune that did 130mph traps but they apparently just no longer sell that tune anymore. Not sure if other tuners like AMS, etc have similar tunes as that one which trap the same but they might offer them
numbers here don't seem right from what I've seen people post on the Audi boards
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10-25-2016, 10:59 PM
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i thought on pump gas rs7 and e63 were both trapping 126-129?
and m5 at 131, isn't that only on ms109 or meth?
also, renntech used to have a tune that did 130mph traps but they apparently just no longer sell that tune anymore. Not sure if other tuners like AMS, etc have similar tunes as that one which trap the same but they might offer them
numbers here don't seem right from what I've seen people post on the Audi boards
and m5 at 131, isn't that only on ms109 or meth?
also, renntech used to have a tune that did 130mph traps but they apparently just no longer sell that tune anymore. Not sure if other tuners like AMS, etc have similar tunes as that one which trap the same but they might offer them
numbers here don't seem right from what I've seen people post on the Audi boards
on pump RS7 traps 129 , on pump most a awD e 63 trap 126 with the exception of the AMS shop car ... And the ET's of the RS 7 Are Way better , indicating a much better launch
10-26-2016, 04:50 AM
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Racing before I was born? Lmao! I've probably logged more time going down the 1/4 mile in an MB than you have watching racing on tv.
Again, you're clueless...and doing a great job proving it. Reflexes have to do with reaction time and have NOTHING to do with 60ft times. Tires do play a big role in 60ft times but it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. However, we used to cut low 1.7s on street tires in the 55s. These cars even in AWD form aren't doing that. Hp per hp, right now the E55 is quicker than the E63...all because of the launch.
Many times whatever time you drop off your 60ft time is worth double on the top end so yes, an 11.5 can easily turn into an 11.1 if your 60ft drops from 1.8 to 1.6. Again, simple drag racing knowledge for those that actually spent time at the track.
Again, you're clueless...and doing a great job proving it. Reflexes have to do with reaction time and have NOTHING to do with 60ft times. Tires do play a big role in 60ft times but it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. However, we used to cut low 1.7s on street tires in the 55s. These cars even in AWD form aren't doing that. Hp per hp, right now the E55 is quicker than the E63...all because of the launch.
Many times whatever time you drop off your 60ft time is worth double on the top end so yes, an 11.5 can easily turn into an 11.1 if your 60ft drops from 1.8 to 1.6. Again, simple drag racing knowledge for those that actually spent time at the track.
Go get a 60' foot calc and figure it out. You're a complete born and bred forum fantasy racer. A guy just like you is on every forum. Try and pass your Internet drag racing knowledge on someone else.
I never mentioned reflexes in that context, I said TIRES! T-I-R-E-S.
I was laughing at how you keyboard racers all use the reflex excuse for running **** times.
You can pull 1.6s in an E55 if you know how to drive which you obviously do not.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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10-26-2016, 04:56 AM
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not even close... 1.6 60ft would be sub 10.85 sec (the ams car has the fast 60ft at 1.628 and ran 10.85)
stock AWD e63 runs ~1.83 60ft, hence times in the mid 11s
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-E...lip-27121.html
stock AWD e63 runs ~1.83 60ft, hence times in the mid 11s
http://dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Benz-E...lip-27121.html
http://www.wallaceracing.com/etcalc.php
Punch in 11.5 and see what you get wind bag.
10-26-2016, 05:03 AM
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you are clueless, its pretty entertaining though... read my post again, you must of mentioned the word "TUNED" and yes TUNED RS7 and TUNED M5s trap 131-133 pretty frequently.... TUNED E63s do not... end of story
btw, no ones is debating AWD vs RWD M5's so kinda pointless statement...
btw, no ones is debating AWD vs RWD M5's so kinda pointless statement...
First off, there are multiple versions of the RS7. The RS7 P traps slightly higher than the E63 S but nowhere near 130-133. You are high.
You brought the M5 into the discussion, I didn't. Read your own post.
But given you earn 500K to 1Million a year, somehow you're still driving a 2014 E63 S AMG..,
😂😂😂
10-26-2016, 05:07 AM
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yeah you've racing them on grand theft auto... that's not real life btw
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10-26-2016, 05:09 AM
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Read my favorite article reference here...
The RS7 traps at 120!!!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/reviews/a6922/v-8-supercars-the-comparison-65-7-roa0314/?zoomable
10-26-2016, 05:10 AM
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i thought on pump gas rs7 and e63 were both trapping 126-129?
and m5 at 131, isn't that only on ms109 or meth?
also, renntech used to have a tune that did 130mph traps but they apparently just no longer sell that tune anymore. Not sure if other tuners like AMS, etc have similar tunes as that one which trap the same but they might offer them
numbers here don't seem right from what I've seen people post on the Audi boards
and m5 at 131, isn't that only on ms109 or meth?
also, renntech used to have a tune that did 130mph traps but they apparently just no longer sell that tune anymore. Not sure if other tuners like AMS, etc have similar tunes as that one which trap the same but they might offer them
numbers here don't seem right from what I've seen people post on the Audi boards
10-26-2016, 05:17 AM
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but not many.
Also so most videos from a roll of these 2 racing with tunes usually shows e63 pulling ahead.
Didnt you yourself roll race rs7 and pull it? I could
of sworn I saw it mentioned by you in another thread when someone said the rs7 is much faster than us with a tune.
10-26-2016, 05:25 AM
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most look to be around 127. I see a few at 129
but not many.
Also so most videos from a roll of these 2 racing with tunes usually shows e63 pulling ahead.
Didnt you yourself roll race rs7 and pull it? I could
of sworn I saw it mentioned by you in another thread when someone said the rs7 is much faster than us with a tune.
but not many.
Also so most videos from a roll of these 2 racing with tunes usually shows e63 pulling ahead.
Didnt you yourself roll race rs7 and pull it? I could
of sworn I saw it mentioned by you in another thread when someone said the rs7 is much faster than us with a tune.
The RS7P is obviously faster.
Gasbag is a walking contradiction, hilarious to poke too.
Chiromikey is on every Merc, Bimmer, and Road Bike forum out there.
I'm telling you, these tools are professional forum members that do nothing but talk smack all day long.
10-26-2016, 05:54 AM
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Depends on the RS7, the standard RS7 traps around 120 for a 2014, not sure off hand for a 2016.
The RS7P is obviously faster.
Gasbag is a walking contradiction, hilarious to poke too.
Chiromikey is on every Merc, Bimmer, and Road Bike forum out there.
I'm telling you, these tools are professional forum members that do nothing but talk smack all day long.
The RS7P is obviously faster.
Gasbag is a walking contradiction, hilarious to poke too.
Chiromikey is on every Merc, Bimmer, and Road Bike forum out there.
I'm telling you, these tools are professional forum members that do nothing but talk smack all day long.
In stock form they all trap around 120, the question here is which is the fastest when just running ECU tune only.
On average it looks like on pump gas both rs7 and e63s (AWD) are around 127mph with a tune. M5 looks like it traps a little higher than both with a tune. Still fairly close between all 3.
But if the rs7 can easily get 129 with a tune then I guess e63 is a bit weaker.
I think the tuners need to get rid of the torque limits. It's really holding back the m157 from its full potential IMHO.
10-26-2016, 06:04 AM
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we're talking about the trap speeds with these cars on a tune.
In stock form they all trap around 120, the question here is which is the fastest when just running ECU tune only.
On average it looks like on pump gas both rs7 and e63s (AWD) are around 127mph with a tune. M5 looks like it traps a little higher than both with a tune. Still fairly close between all 3.
But if the rs7 can easily get 129 with a tune then I guess e63 is a bit weaker.
I think the tuners need to get rid of the torque limits. It's really holding back the m157 from its full potential IMHO.
In stock form they all trap around 120, the question here is which is the fastest when just running ECU tune only.
On average it looks like on pump gas both rs7 and e63s (AWD) are around 127mph with a tune. M5 looks like it traps a little higher than both with a tune. Still fairly close between all 3.
But if the rs7 can easily get 129 with a tune then I guess e63 is a bit weaker.
I think the tuners need to get rid of the torque limits. It's really holding back the m157 from its full potential IMHO.
I disagree the E63 is "weaker". The RS7 is a great car, if there is one car I'm OK losing to, it'S the RS7.
The TCU is an issue, but I don't feel it's THEE bottle neck.
10-26-2016, 11:42 AM
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Nope...
Go get a 60' foot calc and figure it out. You're a complete born and bred forum fantasy racer. A guy just like you is on every forum. Try and pass your Internet drag racing knowledge on someone else.
I never mentioned reflexes in that context, I said TIRES! T-I-R-E-S.
I was laughing at how you keyboard racers all use the reflex excuse for running **** times.
You can pull 1.6s in an E55 if you know how to drive which you obviously do not.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Go get a 60' foot calc and figure it out. You're a complete born and bred forum fantasy racer. A guy just like you is on every forum. Try and pass your Internet drag racing knowledge on someone else.
I never mentioned reflexes in that context, I said TIRES! T-I-R-E-S.
I was laughing at how you keyboard racers all use the reflex excuse for running **** times.
You can pull 1.6s in an E55 if you know how to drive which you obviously do not.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Nope, YOU brought up reflexes, no one else. The rest of us know that reflexes have ZERO to do with any measured performance indicator at the drag strip. As far as tires go, I promise you that I know more about D/Rs and how much benefit they have at the drag strip than you!
Why thank you for the compliment...Yes, I can drive! I have hundreds of time slips in my 55 alone and countless witnesses to prove it. But it's still nice to hear you admit it.
And yes, lol...you found my Instagram page. I'm older than you (which blows your claim to have been racing before I was born out of the water) and still better looking! I don't play video racing games, I actually race. And if you can find that then it shouldn't be that difficult for you to search this forum for my E55 drag racing history.
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10-26-2016, 12:28 PM
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I embarrassed you in our last debate... So trust me, it's you who are entertaining. You are a pointless statement, LOL.
First off, there are multiple versions of the RS7. The RS7 P traps slightly higher than the E63 S but nowhere near 130-133. You are high.
You brought the M5 into the discussion, I didn't. Read your own post.
But given you earn 500K to 1Million a year, somehow you're still driving a 2014 E63 S AMG..,
😂😂😂
First off, there are multiple versions of the RS7. The RS7 P traps slightly higher than the E63 S but nowhere near 130-133. You are high.
You brought the M5 into the discussion, I didn't. Read your own post.
But given you earn 500K to 1Million a year, somehow you're still driving a 2014 E63 S AMG..,
😂😂😂
here's top 7 RS7's on dragtimes and top7 e63s.... which one has more cars trapping above 130? and yes they are all TUNED because that is what i was talking about... quit posting motortrend and road and track links to STOCK cars when we are not talking STOCK
10-26-2016, 12:37 PM
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you are totally clueless.... While i have disagreed with other people in the past on the forum, difference with them is they actually have a clue as to what they are talking about and we just happened to disagree on some finer details.... you on the otherhand have no clue and base your knowledge on magazine articles and Video games.... carry on spanky
10-26-2016, 12:44 PM
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actually i I think that the m157 is an overall stronger and
more powerful motor than the 4.0 TFSI in the rs7.
What I meant by saying e63s is "weaker" is in regards to when both are tuned , that tuners are still not able to remove the torque limits and take full advantage of the m157. For Audi, there is no such problem so they can take full advantage and it can have better ET and trap a bit higher.
But i think if the torque limits can be removed, m157 will trap higher, just not have as good ET because of its inferior AWD system.
It it might not be the only bottle neck but how else do you explain the relatively worse performance for us when we are both running tunes? I think this is the main bottleneck and really hope tuners figure it out soon...
