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Conservatively tuned F90 from Burger: Dragy 1/4 mile time
The F90 M5's 1/4 mile time below was recorded on a Dragy by Terry Burger of Burger Tuning with his JB4 piggyback set at a presumably conservative +2 psi. You might recognize the E63S a few rows down by pure chance.
Hehehe, yeah--that's one fast little car. The mods on it are extensive to say the least and I think it was using race fuel, too, but there's no denying that's a great time.
The new RS3s are already running 9s at 140+ with simple bolt-ons and modified stock turbos.
Yeah, I saw that, too. I think "simple" is subjective, though: downpipe, intake, new turbos and an intercooler plus suspension mods and an E85 conversion with APR tune doesn't qualify as simple for me.
The launch on that particular run wasn't good and I only managed 3.12secs to 60mph and a 1.73sec 60ft. If I could've combined that 10.9sec 1/4 mile with my best launches to 60mph (2.85sec) and a 60ft of 1.6x (which I've achieved fairly reliably), it'd probably net me another 0.25 to 0.3secs hypothetically bringing it down to a 10.6. But, alas, I've tried repeatedly and I just can't hook up. It was the same story yesterday, Dragy read 1.8sec 60ft and 3.18sec 0-60mph with a 1/4 mile of 10.92sec. It's time to get to the track and try this on a properly prep'd surface methinks.
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by limeypride
Yeah, I saw that, too. I think "simple" is subjective, though: downpipe, intake, new turbos and an intercooler plus suspension mods and an E85 conversion with APR tune doesn't qualify as simple for me.
Maybe it is subjective but zero internal engine, fuel system, or tranny mods and running 9s. That’s fair to say pretty simple. I’d even call the modified stock turbos fairly simple nowadays. It will be game over for anything trying to compete (that can be driven to the track) when this car gets into more than bolt-ons!
I will say to have a tune only car running faster than a tune+turbo+E85+++ is a testament of how really good the W213 is.
Sure the RS3 has more potential. But for a large and heavy as hell grocery getter in the 10s with ONE mod is more impressive .
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by kponti
I will say to have a tune only car running faster than a tune+turbo+E85+++ is a testament of how really good the W213 is.
Sure the RS3 has more potential. But for a large and heavy as hell grocery getter in the 10s with ONE mod is more impressive .
Actually a tune only car isn’t even running faster than tune only RS3s (I’m not counting that recent unverified post from a sketchy tuner). APR ran 10.7 on their tune only RS3 so they don’t need the hard parts you mentioned to beat us.
Actually a tune only car isn’t even running faster than tune only RS3s (I’m not counting that recent unverified post from a sketchy tuner). APR ran 10.7 on their tune only RS3 so they don’t need the hard parts you mentioned to beat us.
It was actually a little faster, 10.55 I believe. All we need to do is shed roughly 1,000Ibs from the E63 and we'll be good!
Yeah, I saw that, too. I think "simple" is subjective, though: downpipe, intake, new turbos and an intercooler plus suspension mods and an E85 conversion with APR tune doesn't qualify as simple for me.
technically the apr car was on stock turbo housing, it was only wheel upgrades so pretty much a hybrid turbo when it ran 9.8 @ 144.4.... full frame turbo swaps will be running 200 hp more than that.... most people in the audi tuning scene are expecting the RS3/TTrs to be in the 8s on full turbo upgrade.
fwiw, they guy that owns that RS3 drove it home 400 miles, from AL to FL, after it ran 9s on 6 consecutive passes.... he used to actually be big on the C63 forum and had the C63 record for a while if any of you remember "dad's_C63", its his RS3... he is also the same guy that has the US RS7 record too
the RS3 is the reason i sold my W212 E63 ... also i am partial to the audi 5 cylinder motors as I loved group B rally
I wonder what will be the consequences of running this kind of power and torque on RS3 in the long scheme of things without upgrading any tranny internals. I have 40k km on my C43 (tuned), and I have already started to feel a backward jerk during upshift which I did not used to feel before. Makes me think Mercedes really makes some weak *** transmissions/ driveshaft components compared to their rivals.
C63s have a history of snapping driveshafts as well with pretty mild tunes.
I wonder what will be the consequences of running this kind of power and torque on RS3 in the long scheme of things without upgrading any tranny internals. I have 40k km on my C43 (tuned), and I have already started to feel a backward jerk during upshift which I did not used to feel before. Makes me think Mercedes really makes some weak *** transmissions/ driveshaft components compared to their rivals.
C63s have a history of snapping driveshafts as well with pretty mild tunes.
they are limiting the trq to around 500-550 on stock motors/trans so its not that much as the stock trans (DQ500) can handle 750 trq with only upgrading the clutches.... they are just holding the trq all the way to redline as opposed to dropping off like stock turbos do
this is actual a very safe setup and mild, they guy drove this car home on a 400 mile road trip after these runs.... wait until they put the big turbos on and build the motor (just rods + pistons) and turn up the hp/trq +200-300 and increase the rpm another 1000 (after changing cam/ springs and retainers)
there is another rs3 running 9.8 too by eurocode with minimal mods (basically the same as the apr car... stock turbo housing with different CHRA, downpipes, intake)
they are limiting the trq to around 500-550 on stock motors/trans so its not that much as the stock trans (DQ500) can handle 750 trq with only upgrading the clutches.... they are just holding the trq all the way to redline as opposed to dropping off like stock turbos do
this is actual a very safe setup and mild, they guy drove this car home on a 400 mile road trip after these runs.... wait until they put the big turbos on and build the motor (just rods + pistons) and turn up the hp/trq +200-300 and increase the rpm another 1000 (after changing cam/ springs and retainers)
Wonder why we benz owners never see this kind of mods for our cars. Like that's a 2018 Audi and already has upgraded turbo internals. All we have seen for the 43 platform are some unstable flash tunes with some workings piggys with mild gains. Sigh.
Wonder why we benz owners never see this kind of mods for our cars. Like that's a 2018 Audi and already has upgraded turbo internals. All we have seen for the 43 platform are some unstable flash tunes with some workings piggys with mild gains. Sigh.
preaching to the choir here ... that's why i sold my W212 E63s
MB does make it a lot harder for tuners vs bmw/audi or perhaps tuners just dont try as hard on the MB platform (due to less demand perhaps compared to the average bmw/audi buyer)
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by juicee63
Wow, I still have more posts than you. I musta been a fanatic of sorts , how ya been guy?
My God these are FAST. RS3 does not come in a wagon does it?
So now one must break into the 10's stock?
Hey buddy! I’ve only been back for a short time myself. Picked up a W212 E63 a few years ago but have been pretty disappointed with the amount of encrypted limitations built into the software on these newer models.
The F90 M5's 1/4 mile time below was recorded on a Dragy by Terry Burger of Burger Tuning with his JB4 piggyback set at a presumably conservative +2 psi. You might recognize the E63S a few rows down by pure chance.
Burger finally stepped up to the M5, egads I have been gone far too long, Congratulations on the AMAZING quicks
Hey buddy! I’ve only been back for a short time myself. Picked up a W212 E63 a few years ago but have been pretty disappointed with the amount of encrypted limitations built into the software on these newer models.
cool man, I have been driving a 1995 Accord with dual sport mirrors
Burger finally stepped up to the M5, egads I have been gone far too long, Congratulations on the AMAZING quicks
Terry's offered piggybacks for the F10 for years now. His devices tuned 2 of my F10 550s, 3 F10 M5s and 2 F06 M6 GCs. His JB4 turned my X5M into something approaching an 800hp monster. Sadly, they're all gone now, too.
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