2019 E63S Sedan Sailing. Anybody Else?
#101
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I dont know if i agree MB would raise pricing to match the tariff on cars already here. The US makes up 50% of their market and i know i would cancel my order if I had to pay and extra 25k or more for the car. Im confident a lot of others feel the same way. Hopefully MB recognizes there will be a significant drop in sales and try to get as many cars here before the tariffs as possible.
#102
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Who knows - that would be up to Mercedes - they could go either way. My guess is that they will raise the price of all unreleased cars regardless of when they went through customs.
Unless some miracle happens, it looks like the tariffs will be imposed sometime in August or early September at the latest. The hearings and meetings are getting wrapped up by the end of this month (July)...
Unless some miracle happens, it looks like the tariffs will be imposed sometime in August or early September at the latest. The hearings and meetings are getting wrapped up by the end of this month (July)...
The timing for the Chinese tariffs was as follows:
Following an investigation, on April 4th, tariffs were announced. Comments were due on the 11th of May. A hearing was held on the 15th of May. The tariff list was published on June 20th. The effective date was July 6th. So just over 90 days from the announcement of the tariffs to the imposition of same. So likely that most people on this board with a car in process will likely have the car pass through customs before that point in time.
#103
They clear customs shortly after arriving at the port. Your car will not be subject to the extra tariff if it already cleared customs when it comes into effect, but Mercedes may still apply uniform pricing to unreleased cars regardless of when they cleared customs.
#105
I think that timing is slightly off. There is a notice and comment period before the effective date of any tariffs (at least that is how it worked with the Chinese tariffs under Section 301) and no tariffs have been announced (yet). If the tariffs were announced on August 1, they would not likely be effective until October.
The timing for the Chinese tariffs was as follows:
Following an investigation, on April 4th, tariffs were announced. Comments were due on the 11th of May. A hearing was held on the 15th of May. The tariff list was published on June 20th. The effective date was July 6th. So just over 90 days from the announcement of the tariffs to the imposition of same. So likely that most people on this board with a car in process will likely have the car pass through customs before that point in time.
The timing for the Chinese tariffs was as follows:
Following an investigation, on April 4th, tariffs were announced. Comments were due on the 11th of May. A hearing was held on the 15th of May. The tariff list was published on June 20th. The effective date was July 6th. So just over 90 days from the announcement of the tariffs to the imposition of same. So likely that most people on this board with a car in process will likely have the car pass through customs before that point in time.
#106
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The hearing for the auto tariffs is this Thursday... Also, remember that the auto tariffs are under Section 232 ("national security"), not 301. They can move this fast like they did with the steel tariffs using that section. The Commerce Department recommended those Feb. 16, Trump announced them March 1, signed the order on March 8, and the tariffs were effective March 23. If the auto tariffs follow a similar timeline, they will become effective sometime in late August (the Commerce Department is likely to recommend them shortly after the hearing this week.)
#107
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My car will be in Brunswick this Sunday the 22nd. Pretty sure I will be looking for an alternative if asked to pay $25-30K more than I previously budgeted.
#108
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Any cars that have made it to the VPC before the tariffs hit, having passed customs, will not be subject to them. If someone has a car on the water when they go into effect, it will suddenly cost 25% more...not because of increased costs, material shortages, or anything practical; it will be solely because a pen hit paper somewhere making it so.
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Update for Canadian orders: spoke with my SA over the phone yesterday. As of now, all MY19 models (not just AMG) that were originally cleared for delivery now have a VPC status - so they are "all stuck, no 19's yet" - his exact words.
There is no info on release date, but as above, safe to assume will be in September. Also, still no pricing information for us Canadians.
There is no info on release date, but as above, safe to assume will be in September. Also, still no pricing information for us Canadians.
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Sept ... sounds like that's pretty typical release month for new model year cars. So, there must be a glut of 18 left to get rid of and yet MB is not giving out big factory credit still.
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The hope is that they will release the cars from the VPC before the tariffs come into effect, but if the release date is in September, then this is unlikely because the tariffs will most likely be imposed in August, which would lead Mercedes to raise prices before the September release.
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Something to think about. If MB releases pricing, get a signed deal and close the financing before the tariffs hit. Although, that might be why they havent released pricing yet.
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Some facts: MB Brampton is a medium to high volume dealer and currently have zero 2018 E63's in stock, while MB Burlington have eight in stock, and MB Downtown have 22 2018's - you read that right - 22!
MB Brampton has ordered two 2019's which are likely sitting at the port in Halifax with my car (showing up as inventory on their individual website), where as the other two dealers are showing zero 2019's (have not ordered MY19s or are not disclosing). Therefore, as mentioned above, it is very logical for MB Canada to hold MY19's for at least end of 3rd quarter of the year, at which point, factory credits may be given out.
Let the waiting game continue.
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I still have not seen a W213 E63 sedan or wagon where I have driven mostly, mid / NorthToronto, Richmond Hill, Woodbridge, Markham and Scarborough. It has been 7 months now.
Talk about an unicorn.
Talk about an unicorn.
I have been tracking 2018 E63 inventory at my dealer - literally every inventory car has disappeared within 1-2 weeks after popping up in their system. Talking to my SA, these cars are high in demand. Mind you they only get about one car per month.
Some facts: MB Brampton is a medium to high volume dealer and currently have zero 2018 E63's in stock, while MB Burlington have eight in stock, and MB Downtown have 22 2018's - you read that right - 22!
MB Brampton has ordered two 2019's which are likely sitting at the port in Halifax with my car (showing up as inventory on their individual website), where as the other two dealers are showing zero 2019's (have not ordered MY19s or are not disclosing). Therefore, as mentioned above, it is very logical for MB Canada to hold MY19's for at least end of 3rd quarter of the year, at which point, factory credits may be given out.
Let the waiting game continue.
Some facts: MB Brampton is a medium to high volume dealer and currently have zero 2018 E63's in stock, while MB Burlington have eight in stock, and MB Downtown have 22 2018's - you read that right - 22!
MB Brampton has ordered two 2019's which are likely sitting at the port in Halifax with my car (showing up as inventory on their individual website), where as the other two dealers are showing zero 2019's (have not ordered MY19s or are not disclosing). Therefore, as mentioned above, it is very logical for MB Canada to hold MY19's for at least end of 3rd quarter of the year, at which point, factory credits may be given out.
Let the waiting game continue.
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I drive a Cayman GTS - I have seen 4-5 of these since 2016.
I drove F82 M4 before that, I see an F80/F82 almost everyday.
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Have you sold your Cayman GTS ? If not, are you trading that in to MB Brampton. Reason I am asking is I have a friend who is looking for Cayman S ... yours would be higher priced, I know. If it is still open, let me know your current asking price.
From 2017 to now, I have seen three at dealers (one of which I test drove), and four in the wild - two in Brampton, one on hwy 427 / hwy 27, and one on hwy 407.
I drive a Cayman GTS - I have seen 4-5 of these since 2016.
I drove F82 M4 before that, I see an F80/F82 almost everyday.
I drive a Cayman GTS - I have seen 4-5 of these since 2016.
I drove F82 M4 before that, I see an F80/F82 almost everyday.
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There are a bunch of 2019 E63S Sedans at the VPCs just waiting to be shipped out, 86 of them nationwide to be exact.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
There are some that are still "C4" - arrived at port.
There are a few that are "D3" status - VPC Delayed - meaning they are being held and ship dates are not known.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
There are some that are still "C4" - arrived at port.
There are a few that are "D3" status - VPC Delayed - meaning they are being held and ship dates are not known.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.
#122
Most of what you said and have read here is fairly accurate. Just a hold for 2019 model year. No technical issues that I am aware of at least.
Mid September is a good timeframe, I'd say. Although I would personally expect sooner, that's not far-fetched. Let's keep in mind that we have the new CLS hitting VPCs currently, and that launch will likely affect release of 2019 E63's.
Mid September is a good timeframe, I'd say. Although I would personally expect sooner, that's not far-fetched. Let's keep in mind that we have the new CLS hitting VPCs currently, and that launch will likely affect release of 2019 E63's.
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#123
Agreed. I'm new to the AMG community, but coming from Rennlist (Porsche), I know for a fact that Porsche corporate monitors major online enthusiast communities to check the pulse of the owners / future owners. I can only cross my fingers and hope that MB / AMG would do the same...
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There are a bunch of 2019 E63S Sedans at the VPCs just waiting to be shipped out, 86 of them nationwide to be exact.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.
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There are a bunch of 2019 E63S Sedans at the VPCs just waiting to be shipped out, 86 of them nationwide to be exact.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
There are some that are still "C4" - arrived at port.
There are a few that are "D3" status - VPC Delayed - meaning they are being held and ship dates are not known.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.
Most of them are sitting there in "D1" status - meaning the VPC has received them and checked their arrival.
There are some that are still "C4" - arrived at port.
There are a few that are "D3" status - VPC Delayed - meaning they are being held and ship dates are not known.
86 people are in vehicle limbo! I'd want my car as well!
Let me know if you'd like more information.