Drove the F90 M5 for a extended period- My thoughts inside/pics
08-21-2018, 01:39 PM
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So far, I feel the new e63s tuned is not being able to push as much power compared to the w212 tuned.
I wonder what a drag race of both gens would look like
I wonder what a drag race of both gens would look like
08-21-2018, 01:59 PM
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Would love to see a drag race between both running a tune and downpipes. W212/w218 might even win
08-21-2018, 02:37 PM
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I will say this after owning 5 MCT's before the E63S; this is the best of the lot in regards to response and aggressiveness (MCT that is). Finally a paddle shift input that changes the gear rather quickly vs the delay on the other cars Ive had.
I like the MCT for its racey feel but it can be annoying with the downshifts and thuds- while the ZF is buttery smooth but one cant always feel the car responding to the gear changes. Again, two ways to win!!!
I like the MCT for its racey feel but it can be annoying with the downshifts and thuds- while the ZF is buttery smooth but one cant always feel the car responding to the gear changes. Again, two ways to win!!!
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08-21-2018, 08:41 PM
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I have been involved in just this scenario. From a dig it's not close. From a roll, it's pretty close, especially at first, but w213 will pull 1-2 cars from 60-130 or so
08-21-2018, 09:39 PM
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I finally took an m5 out
a close friend got one last week. We switched for about 30 min. Im suitably impressed by the ride... wow is all I can say compared to my e63... super smooth. The rest of the car is personal taste which is to each his/her own. The tech is miles ahead of Benz but the overall feel of it is very disorganized and disjointed. As many have said here its going to come down to personal preference. Its 6 of one, half dozen of the other. The way I see it you really cant lose either way.
08-21-2018, 10:33 PM
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a close friend got one last week. We switched for about 30 min. Im suitably impressed by the ride... wow is all I can say compared to my e63... super smooth. The rest of the car is personal taste which is to each his/her own. The tech is miles ahead of Benz but the overall feel of it is very disorganized and disjointed. As many have said here its going to come down to personal preference. Its 6 of one, half dozen of the other. The way I see it you really cant lose either way.
08-21-2018, 10:40 PM
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M5 tech
The system appears faster, the display key which allows control of many things remotely (up here in Canada we are only getting Mercedes me for 2019 models this fall), touchscreen, and the ability to finesse many things individually (if thats your thing)
I did not like how the interior of the car was laid out and it felt a bit disjointed like there were 3-4 different design things happening at once. I felt as if I had as many different places to look and touch buttons or more. The E feels much more connected and cleaner. I did notice that the new CLS has those new drive buttons on the wheel and wish those were coming to the E but alas this is not to be till the mid cycle refresh I understand.
I did not like how the interior of the car was laid out and it felt a bit disjointed like there were 3-4 different design things happening at once. I felt as if I had as many different places to look and touch buttons or more. The E feels much more connected and cleaner. I did notice that the new CLS has those new drive buttons on the wheel and wish those were coming to the E but alas this is not to be till the mid cycle refresh I understand.
08-21-2018, 10:48 PM
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2018 S560 and 2019 E450 Wagon.
The system appears faster, the display key which allows control of many things remotely (up here in Canada we are only getting Mercedes me for 2019 models this fall), touchscreen, and the ability to finesse many things individually (if thats your thing)
I did not like how the interior of the car was laid out and it felt a bit disjointed like there were 3-4 different design things happening at once. I felt as if I had as many different places to look and touch buttons or more. The E feels much more connected and cleaner. I did notice that the new CLS has those new drive buttons on the wheel and wish those were coming to the E but alas this is not to be till the mid cycle refresh I understand.
I did not like how the interior of the car was laid out and it felt a bit disjointed like there were 3-4 different design things happening at once. I felt as if I had as many different places to look and touch buttons or more. The E feels much more connected and cleaner. I did notice that the new CLS has those new drive buttons on the wheel and wish those were coming to the E but alas this is not to be till the mid cycle refresh I understand.
08-21-2018, 10:49 PM
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Im sure you read my original post here- for me the tech is just easier to use in the M. I really have grown to dislike that finger size mouse on the left side of the steering wheel to change media or advance sounds; it just doesnt connect like the press of a button does. The M voice command is as accurate as Google requests--- its so easy to just say what I want from an online search perspective and get the IDrive to translate it into a process.
The Nav in the M is better too, the traffic and its displays come on immediately and its easier to search for online options. I needed to use it for a drive during my test drive and the re routing worked better along with the visuals.
I didnt really have a preference in layout but the E is easier on the eyes as long as form is ranked over function.
And all this really is secondary or even tertiary in my decision of picking a car, but its a plus once you make such a choice.
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08-22-2018, 02:32 AM
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Tech in the BMW is better than any car out there, Ive been using a Company Q7 for a few days which is specced out big and I hate the tech in that, even though its modern and advanced, its nowhere near as good as BMWs.
The tech almost swung my choice to the M5, that and its brilliant suspension. But I am the opposite of some here, I preferred the AMG transmission and while the M5 was smooth, I didnt find it involving or the experience that great.
I liked the interior of the E63 better, looks classier to me and I think the outside looks more aggressive. Ultimately though it came down to 1. Engine 2. Practical space ie Wagon.
The E63 p*sses on the M5 re engine noise and that is even comparing it with the M5 Sports Exhaust. Alas you also cant get a touring M5 and the Alpinas are like hens teeth in the U.K.
The tech almost swung my choice to the M5, that and its brilliant suspension. But I am the opposite of some here, I preferred the AMG transmission and while the M5 was smooth, I didnt find it involving or the experience that great.
I liked the interior of the E63 better, looks classier to me and I think the outside looks more aggressive. Ultimately though it came down to 1. Engine 2. Practical space ie Wagon.
The E63 p*sses on the M5 re engine noise and that is even comparing it with the M5 Sports Exhaust. Alas you also cant get a touring M5 and the Alpinas are like hens teeth in the U.K.
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08-22-2018, 09:19 AM
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This is Quickburn7's car with the M Sport Exhaust (dont confuse with normal M5 Exhaust or M Performance) with a simple mod: x pipe the resonator...reminds me of my RS7 with resonator pulled.
Jumpt to 25 seconds for the start up
Jumpt to 25 seconds for the start up
08-22-2018, 04:03 PM
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08-22-2018, 04:53 PM
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Find a dealer that has a M5 on the lot to your liking. It will more than likely have less than 50 miles on it. You have to have the right salesman, and you have to be ready to buy. BMW is offering special 1% apr on new vehicles with more than 300 miles (which they now consider to be demo vehicles or something of that sort). See if the salesman is willing to rack up 300 miles on it to close the deal. They get a nice sale, you get 1% apr on a great vehicle. Win-win!
08-23-2018, 09:56 AM
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08-23-2018, 10:08 AM
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Here is the thread at M5Post that spells it all out. I have already read the entire technical training module and I find the 7k bump in msrp (its own model now, its not a package) is not worth it if you: are going to lower and change exhaust. The gain in hp is at peak hp and show negligible results. I guess its a toss up because the wheels are different and other visuals; its really a preference choice again vs a clear difference in performance. For those who lease, the CE will have a 48% residual at 36/15k and no lease cash vs the non CE 19 which gets the same residual but a 5k lease cash incentive. Either way you slice it, the 48% residual is a terrible and well below even the E63S number. For perspective the 18's lease at 58% residual.
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1494065
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1494065
New standalone Competition model segment within the M brand (no longer just an optional package)
$110,995 MSRP (including destination ($995)) in US
617 hp (+17 over standard M5) @ 6000 rpm
553 lb-ft of torque @ 1800-5860 rpm (160-rpm wider band than standard M5)
0-60 mph in 3.1 seconds
0-124 mph (standing start) in 10.8 seconds (0.3 seconds quicker than standard M5)
189 mph top speed with optional M Drivers Package
Model-specific M Sport exhaust system
Model-specific engine mounts (increased spring rate of 5,139 compare to 3,312 lbs/in. of the standard M5)
Lower ride height by 7mm
Springs are shorter and 10% firmer front and rear
Unique tuning for damper hydraulics
Increased negative camber at front axle
Toe links fitted with ball joints instead of rubber mounts
Spring rate of rear anti-roll bar is firmer
Front axle features redesigned mounting for the anti-roll bar
Standard 20" forged Y-spoke design wheels in bi-color finish with 275/35 R 20 tires front and 285/35 R 20 tires rear
Optional M carbon ceramic brakes
Gloss black door handles, mirror bases, mirror triangles, exterior mirror caps, mesh of the signature M gills in the front flanks, door window surrounds, B-pillar trim, kidney grille surrounds, rear bumper cover detailing, M5 trunk badge, and Competition lettering
Tailpipes in black chrome
BMW M GmbH colors on seat belts and floor mats with model-specific piping plus an M5 logo provide the finishing touches
"M Competition" graphic in instrument cluster on startup
Production beginning July 2018
$110,995 MSRP (including destination ($995)) in US
617 hp (+17 over standard M5) @ 6000 rpm
553 lb-ft of torque @ 1800-5860 rpm (160-rpm wider band than standard M5)
0-60 mph in 3.1 seconds
0-124 mph (standing start) in 10.8 seconds (0.3 seconds quicker than standard M5)
189 mph top speed with optional M Drivers Package
Model-specific M Sport exhaust system
Model-specific engine mounts (increased spring rate of 5,139 compare to 3,312 lbs/in. of the standard M5)
Lower ride height by 7mm
Springs are shorter and 10% firmer front and rear
Unique tuning for damper hydraulics
Increased negative camber at front axle
Toe links fitted with ball joints instead of rubber mounts
Spring rate of rear anti-roll bar is firmer
Front axle features redesigned mounting for the anti-roll bar
Standard 20" forged Y-spoke design wheels in bi-color finish with 275/35 R 20 tires front and 285/35 R 20 tires rear
Optional M carbon ceramic brakes
Gloss black door handles, mirror bases, mirror triangles, exterior mirror caps, mesh of the signature M gills in the front flanks, door window surrounds, B-pillar trim, kidney grille surrounds, rear bumper cover detailing, M5 trunk badge, and Competition lettering
Tailpipes in black chrome
BMW M GmbH colors on seat belts and floor mats with model-specific piping plus an M5 logo provide the finishing touches
"M Competition" graphic in instrument cluster on startup
Production beginning July 2018
08-23-2018, 10:20 AM
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Thx for the info!
Anyone else think those optional front bumper carbon add[-ons on the m5 judt look horrible? Like Ebay purchased pieces u just stick on...
Anyone else think those optional front bumper carbon add[-ons on the m5 judt look horrible? Like Ebay purchased pieces u just stick on...
08-23-2018, 11:52 AM
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Reading those specs and what doesn’t add up is only a 17hp bump makes it 0.3s quicker from 0-124. It should take a much better increase in power to do that.
08-23-2018, 03:05 PM
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Tests on a different day and conditions.... I have yet to see the two cars go up against each other on a video.
Probably more of a marketing thing. A few tests are out and the testers stated they cant tell the speed difference.
08-25-2018, 02:15 PM
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Here is the thread at M5Post that spells it all out. I have already read the entire technical training module and I find the 7k bump in msrp (its own model now, its not a package) is not worth it if you: are going to lower and change exhaust. The gain in hp is at peak hp and show negligible results. I guess its a toss up because the wheels are different and other visuals; its really a preference choice again vs a clear difference in performance. For those who lease, the CE will have a 48% residual at 36/15k and no lease cash vs the non CE 19 which gets the same residual but a 5k lease cash incentive. Either way you slice it, the 48% residual is a terrible and well below even the E63S number. For perspective the 18's lease at 58% residual.
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1494065
https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1494065
