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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 01:24 PM
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Could be different test methods, or possibly the use of the higher octane commonly available over there. I remember filling up a couple of times with 100 octane during my European Delivery vacation. I think the minimum I put in the car was 95 while over there.

Maybe if I could run 93 or better here in CA I wouldn't be seeing the dreaded CEL
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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 02:40 PM
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Could be different test methods, or possibly the use of the higher octane commonly available over there. I remember filling up a couple of times with 100 octane during my European Delivery vacation. I think the minimum I put in the car was 95 while over there.

Maybe if I could run 93 or better here in CA I wouldn't be seeing the dreaded CEL
I am sure people who run 93 or above are still getting CEL's - someone confirm?
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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 06:26 PM
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I am sure people who run 93 or above are still getting CEL's - someone confirm?
Yep!
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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 06:46 PM
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Could be different test methods, or possibly the use of the higher octane commonly available over there. I remember filling up a couple of times with 100 octane during my European Delivery vacation. I think the minimum I put in the car was 95 while over there.
yeah, here we usually go for 95 RON and above.
gas prices are however much higher than in the US. like $2.75 per gallon VS $7.15 per gallon average for 95 RON
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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 06:57 PM
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95ron is us91
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 04:18 PM
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yeah, here we usually go for 95 RON and above.
gas prices are however much higher than in the US. like $2.75 per gallon VS $7.15 per gallon average for 95 RON
I wish. ~$4/gal for crappy 91 in San Diego
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 05:52 PM
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I wish. ~$4/gal for crappy 91 in San Diego
i got the number as averages for US and Europe. in my country the price is 30% above

a good guidance:
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

for US i just used the official numbers:
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 07:01 PM
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No worries, wouldn't expect you to know about our local gas prices. Thanks to claimed higher transportation costs, plus the additional 20 cent/gal gas tax thanks to Gov Moonbeam Brown, San Diego has some of the highest gas prices in the nation.

Sadly, due to a very questionable and confusing ballet title, the proposition to overturn the gas tax failed to pass on last week's election. I suspect further action to come . . .

Anyway, the octane vs CEL hypothesis was just just that and sounds like folks running higher octanes are getting them too.
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yeah, it seems so. some CEL complaints on German forums and UK forums
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 07:51 PM
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I use name brand 93 octane in NJ and had several CELs. They replaced injectors and all is well for like 6 weeks.
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 08:48 PM
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Could the cel caused by ethanol in the fuel ?

I use 91 with no ethanol and no cel since day 1 (11 months ownership to date)
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 10:55 PM
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Could the cel caused by ethanol in the fuel ?

I use 91 with no ethanol and no cel since day 1 (11 months ownership to date)
Shell?
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Old Nov 11, 2018 | 11:33 PM
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This might be old news, but the CLS 53 AMG's and E53 AMG's are now sitting on dealership lots as inventory cars across Canada.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 08:02 AM
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Shell?
yes. I paid for gas, I want 100% gas, not 90% gas and 10% ethanol
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:35 AM
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my email to mbusa yesterday:

”hello,

when will the 2019 AMG E63 be released? i am one of many customers who have ordered vehicles that have been built and shipped, and are now stuck at VPC indefinitely (some for as long as 2-3 months at this point).

i understand the need to take the vehicles through their necessary certification procedures, but what's incredibly frustrating is the lack of clear information and transparency from Mercedes-Benz, both on the corporate and dealership side. you don't treat customers like this -- many of whom, like myself, are repeat customers and brand loyalists -- and particularly not at this price-point. this lack of information and stringing along is actually driving many folks to cancel or abandon their orders, and jumping ship to BMW to purchase an M5. i don't want to make assumptions, but i am guessing that this is not part of your business strategy.

i (and many others) would really appreciate some concrete information on when i can expect to receive my vehicle.

sincerely”

i’ve already received two email responses and a phone call (which i couldn’t take since i was in meetings). the message they said they want my VIN and the dealer name (as if it’s the dealer’s fault). we’ll see what happens. at the very least, i’ll make them work a little extra for their money. 😄
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:50 AM
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my email to mbusa yesterday:

”hello,

when will the 2019 AMG E63 be released? i am one of many customers who have ordered vehicles that have been built and shipped, and are now stuck at VPC indefinitely (some for as long as 2-3 months at this point).

i understand the need to take the vehicles through their necessary certification procedures, but what's incredibly frustrating is the lack of clear information and transparency from Mercedes-Benz, both on the corporate and dealership side. you don't treat customers like this -- many of whom, like myself, are repeat customers and brand loyalists -- and particularly not at this price-point. this lack of information and stringing along is actually driving many folks to cancel or abandon their orders, and jumping ship to BMW to purchase an M5. i don't want to make assumptions, but i am guessing that this is not part of your business strategy.

i (and many others) would really appreciate some concrete information on when i can expect to receive my vehicle.

sincerely”

i’ve already received two email responses and a phone call (which i couldn’t take since i was in meetings). the message they said they want my VIN and the dealer name (as if it’s the dealer’s fault). we’ll see what happens. at the very least, i’ll make them work a little extra for their money. 😄
Good luck. You know you'll just get the runaround. But will be interesting to hear the response.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 02:02 AM
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I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand what you expect from the dealer or even MBUSA. The first post in this thread, 25 pages back, is the 2019 release schedule and it shows the E63 at the end of Q4. (If we interpret the three columns of Q4 as months, it's December.) There's a difference between not getting answers and getting an answer we don't like. As far as I can tell, that release schedule from August has been pretty accurate. And with this kind of planning, I doubt that the "holdup" has to do with fixing the CEL or any other problem. It just seems that MBUSA needs to phase the releases for logistical reasons and we drew the short straw.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 07:27 AM
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yes. I paid for gas, I want 100% gas, not 90% gas and 10% ethanol
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 07:28 AM
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Let’s just hope we get our cars very, very soon.

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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 07:30 AM
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I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand what you expect from the dealer or even MBUSA. The first post in this thread, 25 pages back, is the 2019 release schedule and it shows the E63 at the end of Q4. (If we interpret the three columns of Q4 as months, it's December.) There's a difference between not getting answers and getting an answer we don't like. As far as I can tell, that release schedule from August has been pretty accurate. And with this kind of planning, I doubt that the "holdup" has to do with fixing the CEL or any other problem. It just seems that MBUSA needs to phase the releases for logistical reasons and we drew the short straw.
i believe it is a worldwide move. in Europe these cars will only start being delivered on December, after production restarted this month
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by whoover
I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand what you expect from the dealer or even MBUSA. The first post in this thread, 25 pages back, is the 2019 release schedule and it shows the E63 at the end of Q4. (If we interpret the three columns of Q4 as months, it's December.) There's a difference between not getting answers and getting an answer we don't like. As far as I can tell, that release schedule from August has been pretty accurate. And with this kind of planning, I doubt that the "holdup" has to do with fixing the CEL or any other problem. It just seems that MBUSA needs to phase the releases for logistical reasons and we drew the short straw.
i expect that i will magically receive my car this week like my dealership continues to say i will (and by the way, that’s the transparency thing i allude to, since i assume they have the “accurate” information but prefer to withhold it), so i can take it on a 1000-mile thanksgiving road trip and be done with the break-in period. a boy can dream, can’t he?

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Originally Posted by whoover
I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand what you expect from the dealer or even MBUSA. The first post in this thread, 25 pages back, is the 2019 release schedule and it shows the E63 at the end of Q4. (If we interpret the three columns of Q4 as months, it's December.) There's a difference between not getting answers and getting an answer we don't like. As far as I can tell, that release schedule from August has been pretty accurate. And with this kind of planning, I doubt that the "holdup" has to do with fixing the CEL or any other problem. It just seems that MBUSA needs to phase the releases for logistical reasons and we drew the short straw.
Seriously? The super-secret release schedule internal document not shared with anyone and inappropriately posted to this thread by some kind SA at the end of August? You realize that most people ordered cars in the spring or earlier, right? Based on representations from dealers that we would have cars in August or early September. So purchase decisions were made. Leases expired. Etc. Some of us are even renting cars.

"Where is the car I ordered in March? I thought you said it was going to be here by August? My car is going off lease and my wife would be really pissed at me if she didn't have a car to drive."

"Um, sorry sir, YOU didn't see the top-secret release schedule document that will be posted to some random Internet message board in two weeks? That will tell you that we are absolutely f'*n on-track and this is all planned; we are not incompetent."


Obviously none of this is very important in the scheme of things. But it is annoying, and the lack of communication from MBUSA is pretty poor. And we have no idea why this internal release schedule was planned this way - obviously they could have known that there was some problem and so they put the E63 at the end of the schedule as a result. Who knows. I just know that this is the thread to complain about this and I'm enjoying doing so! Ha!
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 11:01 AM
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Seriously? The super-secret release schedule internal document not shared with anyone and inappropriately posted to this thread by some kind SA at the end of August? You realize that most people ordered cars in the spring or earlier, right? Based on representations from dealers that we would have cars in August or early September. So purchase decisions were made. Leases expired. Etc. Some of us are even renting cars.

"Where is the car I ordered in March? I thought you said it was going to be here by August? My car is going off lease and my wife would be really pissed at me if she didn't have a car to drive."

"Um, sorry sir, YOU didn't see the top-secret release schedule document that will be posted to some random Internet message board in two weeks? That will tell you that we are absolutely f'*n on-track and this is all planned; we are not incompetent."


Obviously none of this is very important in the scheme of things. But it is annoying, and the lack of communication from MBUSA is pretty poor. And we have no idea why this internal release schedule was planned this way - obviously they could have known that there was some problem and so they put the E63 at the end of the schedule as a result. Who knows. I just know that this is the thread to complain about this and I'm enjoying doing so! Ha!
Totally feel your pain. My exact story—was told August. Maybe September at the latest depending on when the boat arrived and Labor Day weekend etc.

Family car is going off lease and if it’s not here before Christmas, this was all pointless and I’ll have no choice but to walk away. Stinks.
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Originally Posted by whoover
I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand what you expect from the dealer or even MBUSA. The first post in this thread, 25 pages back, is the 2019 release schedule and it shows the E63 at the end of Q4. (If we interpret the three columns of Q4 as months, it's December.) There's a difference between not getting answers and getting an answer we don't like. As far as I can tell, that release schedule from August has been pretty accurate. And with this kind of planning, I doubt that the "holdup" has to do with fixing the CEL or any other problem. It just seems that MBUSA needs to phase the releases for logistical reasons and we drew the short straw.
Bingo! My exact thoughts on this.

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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 03:28 PM
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Anyone have more insight as to when the AMG E 63S estates will actually hitting dealers? December is coming up quick. ( after initial promises of Mid to late August)
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