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Old May 8, 2019 | 08:46 AM
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It’s too bad that traction and lane keeping functions lean so heavily on the brakes, but I wouldn’t think this accelerates wear on CCBs significantly...right? I guess it’s all dependent on how much your driving style engages those functions.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 24Hours
Agreed... and the red brakes are so common now... you get more street credit as a bad-a$$ with the CCB on a car like this!
I rarely even see E63, I have only seen 3 of them since the release. So I think I get enough "street credit" lol, went to a few cars and coffee and the ferrari and lambo guys love the e63.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 12:14 PM
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Whats crazy is that when I asked everyone that had a E63, everyone told me dont get the CCB option even if you track the car. Now I see post like this saying they are worth it. Regret not getting CCB now. No point in buying them now.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Khan
Whats crazy is that when I asked everyone that had a E63, everyone told me dont get the CCB option even if you track the car. Now I see post like this saying they are worth it. Regret not getting CCB now. No point in buying them now.
I'm part of the set "everyone", though perhaps not the set of "everyone that had an E63 AND who you asked". But the above statement I think needs some tuning to be accurate in a Venn diagram world ;-)

Haven't tracked my car yet, and may never, but I do occasionally do some spirited canyon / mountain driving. The CCBs have been great. Best part, no brake dust

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Old May 8, 2019 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 24Hours
Agreed... and the red brakes are so common now... you get more street credit as a bad-a$$ with the CCB on a car like this!
+1, no regrets at all with the CCB's!
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Old May 8, 2019 | 02:41 PM
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How much are CCB if you dont have them on your car now. Just wondering what the cost might be.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 02:51 PM
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How much are CCB if you dont have them on your car now. Just wondering what the cost might be.
Budget ~$13 k. To do a full conversion, there is a few more parts than calipers and rotors.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Khan
Whats crazy is that when I asked everyone that had a E63, everyone told me dont get the CCB option even if you track the car. Now I see post like this saying they are worth it. Regret not getting CCB now. No point in buying them now.
I don't have them & I don't regret it. Having a wagon, they a rare enough that I get enough compliments from individuals into cars. I didn't bother with it on the MY20 wagon I am ordering either. If you have a sedan, perhaps it'll make you stand out. I think it's a waste of $$$ in the end, unless you are taking your car to the track or drive it hard daily where brake fade would be something that is of concern to you.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 '02 S600
I don't have them & I don't regret it. Having a wagon, they a rare enough that I get enough compliments from individuals into cars. I didn't bother with it on the MY20 wagon I am ordering either. If you have a sedan, perhaps it'll make you stand out. I think it's a waste of $$$ in the end, unless you are taking your car to the track or drive it hard daily where brake fade would be something that is of concern to you.
So a wagon with CCBs is even rarer




I like them for the absence of brake dust, they way they fill out the wheels better, the mirror sheen of the rotors (no rusted rotors or rust residue on hardware), the reduced un-sprung weight at each corner improves ride and vibration, etc.

Also, if the CCBs on AMG GT-R's are any indication, you're better off with steel brakes from a cost perspective if you're going to track a lot, even hardcore Porsche RS owners take theirs off, put them in storage, and put dedicated racing steel brakes on.

I came into the E63 purchase with the expectation I'd be in the car for 5-6 years, so I might as well get them. I didn't spec them on my SLS and always regretted it.

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Old May 8, 2019 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 '02 S600
I don't have them & I don't regret it. Having a wagon, they a rare enough that I get enough compliments from individuals into cars. I didn't bother with it on the MY20 wagon I am ordering either. If you have a sedan, perhaps it'll make you stand out. I think it's a waste of $$$ in the end, unless you are taking your car to the track or drive it hard daily where brake fade would be something that is of concern to you.

There are always going to be some that find certain options essential and others a waste of money. I find CCB's of great value and consider a carbon fibre engine cover a waste of money. Others might disagree
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Old May 8, 2019 | 04:16 PM
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I keep all my cars for quite a while and don't expect this one will be any different. Each of my vehicles are fairly low mileage at a bit under 5000 miles per year. Assuming the E63 follows the same pattern, it will be a long time before it needs new brakes. By that time, the cost of replacement parts may be quite a bit lower.
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Old May 8, 2019 | 04:16 PM
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There are always going to be some that find certain options essential and others a waste of money. I find CCB's of great value and consider a carbon fibre engine cover a waste of money. Others might disagree
Drive your car hard once and you will realize you made a poor decision on your brake choice.
Driving hard is not driving down the straight highway a 100mph..
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Old May 8, 2019 | 08:40 PM
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Drive your car hard once and you will realize you made a poor decision on your brake choice.
Driving hard is not driving down the straight highway a 100mph..
You are speaking in riddles. Me having CCB's was a bad choice or you misread my response?
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Old May 9, 2019 | 12:15 AM
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FWIW g-locbrakes.com if you need pads call them, Danny can make pads for this and I doubt they are $430 for a set. They make a bunch of pads for other cars that have ceramic brakes.
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Old May 9, 2019 | 04:58 PM
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I love them. My first auto with CCB's. Lower unsprung weight, and absolutely no dust which is worth the cost right there to me! I like the color combination of the yellow/gold with the Selenite better, and would have painted my calipers that color anyway. I will order CCBs with every higher-end auto I purchase from here on out. I wish I had them on my R8, but back then, it was an $18K option.


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Old May 9, 2019 | 08:23 PM
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Disclaimer: Minor gripe on cosmetics, so completely irrelevant to the value and functionality...

We use that car in the winter and some part of the steel connectors rust and discolor the CCB's. Wished they would use stainless only.
Included a pic of our GTC brakes for "new" comparison.

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Old May 11, 2019 | 02:16 PM
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i'm not an E63 owner but fwiw, CCB if you can afford it!
i drove a wagon with ceramics and the stopping distance was insane, they gripped like crazy.
exciting story i know.
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Old May 13, 2019 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
Drive your car hard once and you will realize you made a poor decision on your brake choice.
Driving hard is not driving down the straight highway a 100mph..
I wanted CCB with the '14, but passed... however what did it for me this time was the fact the rear brakes are 1-piston with the steel brakes, but 4-piston with the CCB. I figured that with a wagon loaded on road trips, etc, I preferred keeping better brakes in the rear, understanding that the traction control, etc rely on the rears. And it just bugged me thinking that the regular brakes on a $120k car are 1-piston. I just couldn't do that.
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Old May 13, 2019 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 24Hours
I wanted CCB with the '14, but passed... however what did it for me this time was the fact the rear brakes are 1-piston with the steel brakes, but 4-piston with the CCB. I figured that with a wagon loaded on road trips, etc, I preferred keeping better brakes in the rear, understanding that the traction control, etc rely on the rears. And it just bugged me thinking that the regular brakes on a $120k car are 1-piston. I just couldn't do that.

Well, you may want to rethink that as the rears are single piston sliding calipers regardless of rotor material.
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Old May 13, 2019 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
Disclaimer: Minor gripe on cosmetics, so completely irrelevant to the value and functionality...

We use that car in the winter and some part of the steel connectors rust and discolor the CCB's. Wished they would use stainless only.
Included a pic of our GTC brakes for "new" comparison.

I would be questioning that shale like cracking on the rotor.... I've never seen that and would be talking to the dealer about it.
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I would be questioning that shale like cracking on the rotor.... I've never seen that and would be talking to the dealer about it.
Normal! Mine are the same way, as are others I've seen.
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Mine too, all four. Looked like that from the factory when I picked the car up in Germany, so assuming normal.
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Ok... the ones on my 997.2 show no signs of anything like that. (Only comparison that I have)

i too wish that I had them on my wagon. They really take the car to the next level.
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From the 2020 ordering guide:

Especially when cold, this ceramic composite material will resonate during braking and
potentially feel less responsive under light brake pressure but with no loss in braking power.
You will hear sounds, e.g. squealing, that you might not expect and which may be louder than
what you are used to during ordinary everyday braking maneuvers – rest assured that this is
a normal operating characteristic for this brake system, and is a by-product of the unique
properties of the material. Mercedes-AMG recommends that the driver engage the brakes in
an assertive manner in order to mitigate some of this noise during normal operation;
Mercedes-AMG also recommends that the brakes be brought up to operating temperature
before use in high-performance driving situations in order to improve braking performance.
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Originally Posted by cyclrder
I would be questioning that shale like cracking on the rotor.... I've never seen that and would be talking to the dealer about it.

That's how every Mercedes CCB looks like

It's all a question of the CCB vendor. Brembos look dramatically different due to their manufacturing process. This Porsche has the same vendor as MB


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