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Hey everyone, just ordered a 2020 European Delivery e63 wagon. I opted to not get the ceramic brakes but wanted to ask the forum their thoughts first while I can still make changes. My canon carver is a 911, so this one is the family hauler. There are a couple of reasons I would get them - less brake dust, and they last longer than steel brakes. So maybe the cost of owning a steel brake car would even out with carbon ceramics over 2-3 brake changes?
Curious to how often and how much ($) the steel brakes are costing you guys vs how long until carbons need to be changed.
The only reason I would not get them. 10 THOUSAND and I know they get loud if you don’t seat them once a week.
I was quoted about $3700 with labor and parts (including rotors) at a dealer for front brakes replacement. If you will buy parts online it's going to cost you $2600 for parts (OEM) + 2-3 hours of labor.
I think rotors will be good for at least 2 pad replaces.
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The only reason I would not get them. 10 THOUSAND and I know they get loud if you don’t seat them once a week.
I've never had any noise from my CCBs. They are quite quiet actually. I don't go through any rebedding process, and drive the car pretty normally on my short commute on week days.
Another advantage is less unsprung weight. Not sure exactly how much the difference is, but it's right at the wheel, so perhaps a slightly improved ride as a result.
There's no brake dust I wash my own car and continue to be amazed that there's really no work needed on the wheels, just rinse and they're done.
I've never had any noise from my CCBs. They are quite quiet actually. I don't go through any rebedding process, and drive the car pretty normally on my short commute on week days.
Another advantage is less unsprung weight. Not sure exactly how much the difference is, but it's right at the wheel, so perhaps a slightly improved ride as a result.
There's no brake dust I wash my own car and continue to be amazed that there's really no work needed on the wheels, just rinse and they're done.
Oh that's good to know they they don't squeak and make noise... And no brake dust - that's priceless. Especially on the black wheels.. Thanks for the advice guys! Anyone know how long until CCB's need to have the pads or rotors changed?
I've never had any noise from my CCBs. They are quite quiet actually. I don't go through any rebedding process, and drive the car pretty normally on my short commute on week days.
Another advantage is less unsprung weight. Not sure exactly how much the difference is, but it's right at the wheel, so perhaps a slightly improved ride as a result.
There's no brake dust I wash my own car and continue to be amazed that there's really no work needed on the wheels, just rinse and they're done.
Same, no brake dust, no squeaking, no “rebedding procedure.”
Anyone know how long until CCB's need to have the pads or rotors changed?
Depends on how to drive.
I assume pads will need to be changed around every 10-20k miles, rotors approximately 60k mile if they won't get structure damage which one is common for CBB
I assume pads will need to be changed around every 10-20k miles, rotors approximately 60k mile if they won't get structure damage which one is common for CBB
They can say that you can change the oil once per 10k miles too... which is way too much If you are not going to drive your car as it can run you simply don't need CCB in a different way you will need to change rotors and pads in those intervals as I said
I wanted to get CCB tho, to avoid brake dust but after deep search - not worth it. Steel brakes are amazing on w213 and only one point you will want to get CCB - no dust. I don't care to wash my wheels once per week if I'll save $14k (if you are swapping CCB and not getting them with a car).
They can say that you can change the oil once per 10k miles too... which is way too much If you are not going to drive your car as it can run you simply don't need CCB in a different way you will need to change rotors and pads in those intervals as I said
I wanted to get CCB tho, to avoid brake dust but after deep search - not worth it. Steel brakes are amazing on w213 and only one point you will want to get CCB - no dust. I don't care to wash my wheels once per week if I'll save $14k (if you are swapping CCB and not getting them with a car).
Do you use any of that cool iron off spray to get rid of the brake dust?
My only regret on my order was not getting the CCB. I have steel brakes and suburban driving my wheels stay clean about 4 days. I have the black wheels and they show the brake dust. My steel brakes squeaked from about a month on till recently when MB USA and my local dealer agreed to replace them due to the noise. How long do you plan to own the car and how much do you drive. 5 years plus it is a wash literally... in brake pads, rotors and washing those damn nice wheels. When it come time to spend $100k plus again I’m going with CCBs.
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I bought mine from the dealer. Someone else had specced it and walked. It was the right option except it had the steel rotors and I was gonna live with it. I have to say it’s not as bad on my silver wheels. I have them ceramic coated and I haven’t washed the car for a couple of weeks now -crap weather- and they look fine. My GLE63 has black wheels on the other hand, and that really shows the dust.
My personal recommendation would would be to get the CCB especially if you want black wheels. If $10k is a bit much to swallow and it is for most of us, really consider silver wheels.
My only regret on my order was not getting the CCB. I have steel brakes and suburban driving my wheels stay clean about 4 days. I have the black wheels and they show the brake dust. My steel brakes squeaked from about a month on till recently when MB USA and my local dealer agreed to replace them due to the noise. How long do you plan to own the car and how much do you drive. 5 years plus it is a wash literally... in brake pads, rotors and washing those damn nice wheels. When it come time to spend $100k plus again I’m going with CCBs.
I would agree with this. If you have chance to buy a car with CCB - do it, but if you have a car with steel brakes there is no reason to buy set for about $14k and then have a problem with coding and etc.
My only regret on my order was not getting the CCB. I have steel brakes and suburban driving my wheels stay clean about 4 days. I have the black wheels and they show the brake dust. My steel brakes squeaked from about a month on till recently when MB USA and my local dealer agreed to replace them due to the noise. How long do you plan to own the car and how much do you drive. 5 years plus it is a wash literally... in brake pads, rotors and washing those damn nice wheels. When it come time to spend $100k plus again I’m going with CCBs.
thats true! I’m planning on keep this for at least 5 years so that definitely makes sense...
I would agree with this. If you have chance to buy a car with CCB - do it, but if you have a car with steel brakes there is no reason to buy set for about $14k and then have a problem with coding and etc.
I’m ordering so I can add them for the 10k.. leaning more towards doing it...
I hear the replacement cost for ccb is about the same as the option cost in the first place. Can anyone confirm this?
It may not be relevant to you when buying a new or slighty used car, but one should be aware of the impact on second hand value when ceramic brakes wears out, 6-8 years down the road.
I hear the replacement cost for ccb is about the same as the option cost in the first place. Can anyone confirm this?
It may not be relevant to you when buying a new or slighty used car, but one should be aware of the impact on second hand value when ceramic brakes wears out, 6-8 years down the road.
/J
About double for a retrofit and around $14-$15k for rotors/pads. In regards to second hand value, the car is worth next to nothing at that time anyway. Can’t imagine it makes a sizable difference...
Hey everyone, just ordered a 2020 European Delivery e63 wagon. I opted to not get the ceramic brakes but wanted to ask the forum their thoughts first while I can still make changes. My canon carver is a 911, so this one is the family hauler. There are a couple of reasons I would get them - less brake dust, and they last longer than steel brakes. So maybe the cost of owning a steel brake car would even out with carbon ceramics over 2-3 brake changes?
Curious to how often and how much ($) the steel brakes are costing you guys vs how long until carbons need to be changed.
The only reason I would not get them. 10 THOUSAND and I know they get loud if you don’t seat them once a week.
My car car is the same spec as the one attached.
If you set up the wagon it will be your new canyon carver and without a doubt surpass your 911 in the twisties. I don't miss my 991 Turbo S at all.
Get the CCB's for your 4,700 lb rocket lead sled..No squeaks at all no matter how long it sits.
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I hear the replacement cost for ccb is about the same as the option cost in the first place. Can anyone confirm this?
It may not be relevant to you when buying a new or slighty used car, but one should be aware of the impact on second hand value when ceramic brakes wears out, 6-8 years down the road.
/J
Replacement is about double plus a little to do discs and pads. But barring damage and heavy track use the discs will last well over 100k miles. And if you don't like the CCB replacement price there will be a vendor offering iron rotors as a substitute.
Ceramic discs will last over 100K …. the pads are probably good for 30K or more.. you just have to make sure that you don't wear them down close to the end.
But... they are delicate, so if you chip one of the discs taking the wheel off.. you are screwed.
I have them on my Porsche Turbo and at 20K they show absolutely no wear on the pads... Porsche says the discs can last to 180K.
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