stratman

Hello all,
Hope you're all doing well. So I was on a certain road at a light and this bike came up and was doing the usual revving and such (feel like I'm writing like a Brit) and as soon as the light turned green he took off and I didn't as there was other traffic. But I was thinking that he didn't seem to be all that faster than the E63s if I had went with him. So, my question is: has anyone really went with a bike of any type (on a track of course or on a Mexican hwy)?

E634Me

I turned a 10.90 at 135 mph on my stock 1998 Yamaha R1 without really trying that hard. Modern liter bikes are doing 9s these days and 0 to 60 times are well under 3 seconds.

It used to take someone who knows what they are doing to get the bike off the line right, but newer bikes also have better launch control than my old school manual bike, so I guess maybe you can get a decent launch now without so much talent.

Bottom line, you're going to loose to any new liter class bike and most 750 class bikes and a decent rider.

ronin amg

Please let your grown up self sit behind the wheel at all times, sure you could try but if anything went wrong you are now partially responsible and street racing when caught will hurt more than an ego bruise.

chiromikey

In a straight line through 1/4mile speeds, if you win, you beat the rider not the bike. Even 600 sport bikes with a good rider are quicker and faster through the 1/4mile than these cars.

e65

2 weekends ago a Hyabusa ran 10.34 at 137 at our local track. But I've seen many other similar looking "speed bikes" run 12s.

I have never lost a rolling race against a bike in e63.

chiromikey

Don’t know where or what conditions your track is but 600s are running mid 10s bone stock so a Hayabusa running that is misleading. What do you run there in your E63 and what mods? It’s not hard to beat a bike in a rolling race if you don’t give them time to downshift 4 gears and take the jump. In the right gear and an even start, you won’t even beat a 600 until after 130 or he runs out of ***** in a stock E63.

Again, it comes down to the rider more than the bike.

E634Me

I used to drag race Bikes at MIR in Maryland before moving to California. Ran two different GSXR 750s plus my R1 at the Carlsbad track before they shut it down. That was like 15 years ago and just about all the bikes coming to the track were doing better than 12s.

Road raced with CCS in the early 2000s and drag racing was good practice for race starts.

Any 750 class bike I’ve had would kill the E63 in a rolling start . . .

stratman

Agree 100%. I don't street race and have let many cars and a few bikes "walk me" as the repercussions if an accident were to occur are pretty bad. I drive Ortega HWY (74) to get to work and have seen many an accident with fatalities with both cars and bikes. Unfortunately some of my colleagues have also died on this road due to other drivers misbehaving and not thinking of others sharing the road with them. The sport bike crowd especially likes this road and, unfortunately, many have paid a heavy price for using this road as a race track. I'm very discreet as to where and when I may get a bit rambunctious with my wagon and make sure that no one else is around if possible. Anyway, as others have said the modern bikes are very fast but I am just curious as to what others think especially those that also ride bikes as well as drive the E63 and other performance cars. As a note, I haven't ridden a bike since I was about 20. Thanks everyone for your responses.

E634Me

Never cared for Ortega Highway. Double fine zone, too much traffic, and just not as fun as a few other spots in So Cal.

Ultimately I quit racing and eventually even riding sport bikes once my kids were born. Still ride dual sport and have a KTM 1190-R and 500 EXC.

Bottom line, in a straight line the bikes are much faster than the car. For the curvy stuff, it really depends on rider/driver, but there are videos of some on track comparisons of fast bikes and cars that you can go see.

ronin amg

In the curvy stuff most of the guys on bikes I know will still smoke most cars on the road. You can only corner and brake our lead sleds so far.
Sometimes a man has to know his limitations..

nw66

Have one of these sitting in my study at home 500 made world wide, carbon frame wheels etc titanium every where, TI race exhaust fitted in launch mode probably 2 ish seconds 0/60mph! cost 75k sterling though! Must say though my 63 is also brutal in launch mode sub 3 secs aint bad for 2 ton plus car hey fellas

E634Me

Figure 200 hp and 450 lbs or less for modern liter bikes vs 603 hp for car at 4600 lbs. That 2.25 lbs/hp for the bike and 7.6 lbs/hp for the car. That the car does as well as it does is pretty impressive - but it still loses.

nw66

220bhp 368lbs for 1299 Superleggera so yes car loses but 63 great car love mine

e65

We typically have 4000 DA at castrol, gets better at night.
Best e63 run was 10.38 at 141.52 in Aug 2018, on the same track this hyabusa did 10.34 at 137 Sep 2019. I can imagine it being scary for a rider to go all out on a bike. The E63 is GAD w212.

There is an air strip about 150 miles south at even higher elevation for standing mile events, they allow cars to run against bikes. My bro took the e63 there. He ran against a ducati 959 from a roll, no surprise factor it was an organized event.

Wolfman

Well, that's an unusual spot for a bike. Wonder where your 63 is parked at night

Wolfman

The only time most of the mentioned bikes can't walk you is over 150mph on the Autobahn...

ronin amg

The only time bikes can't walk all over you takes the right car....The e63s is quick, the GTS handles but ya need the proper tool for the job..

chiromikey

4000ft DA and a GAD E63 changes things quite a bit! I’d imagine from a roll you’d take down any stock bike with maybe the rare exception. Stock E63 though has no chance with a competent rider.

nw66

LOL!!

MuffinFlavored

does anybody know what the GAD W213 offering does officially?

i know better than to race bikes from a roll on the highway

down here in south florida, lotta crazy young punks in traffic with terrified girlfriends hanging on to their "bad boy" for dear life when we do pulls starting at 90mph and they absolutely destroy me :P

e65

https://www.gad-motors.de/e63w213

ronin amg

Seriously 5,600euro+ for a tune and unnecessary air filter... oh 780HP form a tune, that's 177 hp gain from a tune....

e65

It looks like 2 tunes, 1 for ECU and the other for "central powertrain controller".

GAD was truthful with me about the HP numbers. Besides running it on superflo dyno, they vboxed it and my trap speeds are in line with the stayed HP.

pump fuel tune was 924hp (crank) 1/4 trap speed 137mph
race fuel tune was 1025hp. trap speeds 141.5mph DA 3000+. 60-130 5.5s (my dragy). 100-200kph 4.8s (GAD vbox). 100-200kph 4.75s (my dragy). Basically identical.

My "800HP" turbo upgrade from North American vendor, trap 123mph.

ronin amg

There is no way you can get that increase of 177 hp on pump gas with just a tune alone... That would be an additional 10-17 psi of boost from the stock turbos...

e65

Renntech claims 773hp with tune for pump gas. OEM is rated 603 but measured 691 by Renntech. So it's not a 177hp gain considering how underrated the car is from the factory.