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I just got a great deal on an immaculate condition 2017 e43 AMG. It was hard to depart from my 2011 e63 AMG, but I really like the comfort and technology upgrades. Even though it has less HP than my e63, it hooks up much better with AWD and without constant intervention of traction control that I had with the rear wheel drive e63. Some may snicker at the e43, but I'm impressed with the power and handling.
my first AMG was a 2018 E43 and it was a great car... till i drove a E63S. i did find my 43 was a nicer overall ride (less harsh) and still had great power
my first AMG was a 2018 E43 and it was a great car... till i drove a E63S. i did find my 43 was a nicer overall ride (less harsh) and still had great power
Your first AMG was the E63. The 43/53 is an AMG as much as an M550i is an M car.
I'm just not sure why they didn't call the e43 Benz cars something like audi did ... 'Mercedes benz performance series' or 'sport line' etc, do we think they would have sold less of them without that Amg badge on it? Nevertheless, I don't lose sleep over it, but I realize that some people do!
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I'm just not sure why they didn't call the e43 Benz cars something like audi did ... 'Mercedes benz performance series' or 'sport line' etc, do we think they would have sold less of them without that Amg badge on it? Nevertheless, I don't lose sleep over it, but I realize that some people do!
Here is a great video on why manufacturers are doing this and why it dilutes brands like AMG.
Oh my, I haven't been or posted on this forum since I bought my E63 new in 2010. I didn't realize that there is now an AMG pecking order with snobbery at the higher levels. Perhaps I should have bought a forth BMW ... nah.
Oh my, I haven't been or posted on this forum since I bought my E63 new in 2010. I didn't realize that there is now an AMG pecking order with snobbery at the higher levels. Perhaps I should have bought a forth BMW ... nah.
Obviously it was already on your mind when you made the original post, I don’t know why you’re mad that I’m confirming for you that it’s not a true AMG.
Obviously it was already on your mind when you made the original post, I don’t know why you’re mad that I’m confirming for you that it’s not a true AMG.
All kidding aside, one man one engine and a plaque are what make modern AMG’s true AMG’s. The 55’s, 63’s, 65’s and hell even the 45’s have hand built motors from Affalterbach. The 43’s and 53’s by contrast have motors made on an ordinary assembly line and are “AMG Tuned”, not built.
Every hand built (by one man) AMG motor has a plaque in the center of the engine with the assembler’s signature on it.
Dominick Lasrich built my current M157, Walter Moritz built my M156 for instance.
All kidding aside, one man one engine and a plaque are what make modern AMG’s true AMG’s. The 55’s, 63’s, 65’s and hell even the 45’s have hand built motors from Affalterbach. The 43’s and 53’s by contrast have motors made on an ordinary assembly line and are “AMG Tuned”, not built.
Every hand built (by one man) AMG motor has a plaque in the center of the engine with the assembler’s signature on it.
Dominick Lasrich built my current M157, Walter Moritz built my M156 for instance.
Yes, all kidding aside, the “one man one engine” is a philosophy that AMG employees follow. Whether it’s assembled by a man, or a woman doesn’t make it a “true” or “real” AMG. What makes it true and real is when Mercedes calls it an AMG, badges it an AMG and sells it as AMG. Hand built (assembled) engines are more like an option. Some models will have an option of a v12, i4 and some with a v8. Although it still puzzles me why they call it a 63 when it’s a 4.0l engine. But hey, Mercedes calls it 63, badges it a 63, and yes you guessed right, sells it as such... it’s a 63. The same way Mercedes started selling a 4 door coupe (ISO might disagree), 4 door coupe it is then.
Customers can get their AMG in different models with different options. Some options come standard in some models which include a hand built engine.
Yes, all kidding aside, the “one man one engine” is a philosophy that AMG employees follow. Whether it’s assembled by a man, or a woman doesn’t make it a “true” or “real” AMG. What makes it true and real is when Mercedes calls it an AMG, badges it an AMG and sells it as AMG. Hand built (assembled) engines are more like an option. Some models will have an option of a v12, i4 and some with a v8. Although it still puzzles me why they call it a 63 when it’s a 4.0l engine. But hey, Mercedes calls it 63, badges it a 63, and yes you guessed right, sells it as such... it’s a 63. The same way Mercedes started selling a 4 door coupe (ISO might disagree), 4 door coupe it is then.
Customers can get their AMG in different models with different options. Some options come standard in some models which include a hand built engine.
I’m impressed that you managed to come up with the mental gymnastics required to blur the lines between “option” and “model” to make your point, but they’re completely different things. There is no “option” for an M177 in your C43, you have to buy a different model entirely. A different model that has a better suspension, a limited slip differential rather than an open diff, brakes, completely different body kit, grille, and on the list goes. I know a lot of you 43 and 53 guys are sensitive about this but it is what it is, and the performance of the cars speak the truth. Watch the video I linked above, your car is in the same class as a BMW M340 or M440, and absolutely nobody would argue that they’re the same as an M3 or M4 just because they have an M badge.or maybe you would?
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I’m impressed that you managed to come up with the mental gymnastics required to blur the lines between “option” and “model” to make your point, but they’re completely different things. There is no “option” for an M177 in your C43, you have to buy a different model entirely. A different model that has a better suspension, a limited slip differential rather than an open diff, brakes, completely different body kit, grille, and on the list goes. I know a lot of you 43 and 53 guys are sensitive about this but it is what it is, and the performance of the cars speak the truth. Watch the video I linked above, your car is in the same class as a BMW M340 or M440, and absolutely nobody would argue that they’re the same as an M3 or M4 just because they have an M badge.or maybe you would?
I don’t have to blur anything, MB’s website is very clear with their model line up. If you flexed your mental ability you wouldn’t have to be impressed by mine. You’re the one blurring the lines with your assumptions that some AMG models aren’t “true” AMG. You justify it by using the philosophy practiced by AMG on their employees, not imposed on their customers.
If you wanna talk about my C43, the same can be argued that 4matic awd isn’t available on the c63 (yet). The same can also be made for c63 owners that want the M279 or M178, it’s not available and they’ll have to choose a different model altogether. As I’ve said, it’s all about options.
My car is an entry level AMG, as stated by Tobias Moers. I just find him more credible than a vlogger.
I’m not sensitive about the different AMG models at all, but it sure sounds like you are. If I think the same way you do, I’d buy used or preowned, instead of leasing new. But, I like my stuff new, every couple of years or so with a few bells and whistles. If my financial situation changes for the worse, I might have to downgrade to a different model, or abandon the whole brand. If it gets super ridiculously better, I just might get a Pagani. Btw, Horacio doesn’t call his cars AMG.
You justify it by using the philosophy practiced by AMG on their employees, not imposed on their customers.
Benz’s marketers really love people like you, hook line and sinker. One Man One Engine is literally the AMG philosophy whether you understand Benz’s current marketing angle to match BMW’s “M Sport” cars or not. Don’t ask me though, ask Michael Kubler. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/lif...an-one-engine/
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If you wanna talk about my C43, the same can be argued that 4matic awd isn’t available on the c63 (yet). The same can also be made for c63 owners that want the M279 or M178, it’s not available and they’ll have to choose a different model altogether. As I’ve said, it’s all about options.
You’re blatantly contradicting yourself here, models or options? Do you have the option for the same drivetrain, brakes, suspension, body, LSD as a C63? No you don’t, it’s a different model, a model with an AMG engine. Your car has the same motor as a C450, just with a different tune. Maybe ask yourself why you share a sub forum with the C450’s? Maybe look up the fact that your car is literally a rebadged C450 Sport? Nevermind here is an article spelling it out for you. https://jalopnik.com/what-the-****-e...now-1761059932
Brand dilution for the sake of marketing is why you’re here, you’re not standing on solid ground with your argument.
M279 and M178, both hand built engines that also come with plaques, are only available on different MODELS, they’re not options. What makes a performance model a performance model if not for the drivetrain?
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Benz’s marketers really love people like you, hook line and sinker. One Man One Engine is literally the AMG philosophy whether you understand Benz’s current marketing angle to match BMW’s “M Sport” cars or not. Don’t ask me though, ask Michael Kubler. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/lif...an-one-engine/
You’re blatantly contradicting yourself here, models or options? Do you have the option for the same drivetrain, brakes, suspension, body, LSD as a C63? No you don’t, it’s a different model, a model with an AMG engine. Your car has the same motor as a C450, just with a different tune. Maybe ask yourself why you share a sub forum with the C450’s? Maybe look up the fact that your car is literally a rebadged C450 Sport? Nevermind here is an article spelling it out for you. https://jalopnik.com/what-the-****-e...now-1761059932
Brand dilution for the sake of marketing is why you’re here, you’re not standing on solid ground with your argument.
M279 and M178, both hand built engines that also come with plaques, are only available on different MODELS, they’re not options. What makes a performance model a performance model if not for the drivetrain?
You’re getting tiring... amusing, but tiring. You basically confirmed everything I just pointed out.
Kubler=employee, needs to apply company philosophy in order to stay employed. Responsible for assembling one engine from beginning to end. Company philosophy not applicable to customers. I hope you don’t think he hammers out and forges each piston himself.
Mercedes: we have different AMG models, with different options. Some with hand built engines, some with 4matic drivetrains, even some with both. Which one do you want to buy?
Me=customer, don’t care who makes my engine, human or not. Here’s my money. How much can my money buy?
Mercedes: that’s enough for a new C43 AMG.
The point is, YOU don’t get to decide what’s a “true” AMG or not. Unless, you’re sitting on the board of directors at Daimler, all you can do is complain.
You’re getting tiring... amusing, but tiring. You basically confirmed everything I just pointed out.
Kubler=employee, needs to apply company philosophy in order to stay employed. Responsible for assembling one engine from beginning to end. Company philosophy not applicable to customers. I hope you don’t think he hammers out and forges each piston himself.
Mercedes: we have different AMG models, with different options. Some with hand built engines, some with 4matic drivetrains, even some with both. Which one do you want to buy?
Me=customer, don’t care who makes my engine, human or not. Here’s my money. How much can my money buy?
Mercedes: that’s enough for a new C43 AMG.
The point is, YOU don’t get to decide what’s a “true” AMG or not. Unless, you’re sitting on the board of directors at Daimler, all you can do is complain.
You either cannot begin to comprehend what I’ve been saying to you or you’re too dense to understand, I don’t really care at this point. No plaque, not a real AMG, it’s a C450 with AMG badges to make you feel cool. Beg to differ? Line up with a 63 and read the badges as it blows your doors off.
How much can your money buy? A C450 Sport apparently.
You either cannot begin to comprehend what I’ve been saying to you or you’re too dense to understand, I don’t really care at this point. No plaque, not a real AMG, it’s a C450 with AMG badges to make you feel cool. Beg to differ? Line up with a 63 and read the badges as it blows your doors off.
How much can your money buy? A C450 Sport apparently.
Again, you’re just complaining. I know you’re too dense to comprehend all of this. If Mercedes says it is, YOU can’t do anything about it. Why? Because your opinion doesn’t matter to the ones that make the important decisions in that company.
Mercedes’ marketing got me hook line and sinker, the same way used car dealerships got you. How much can my money buy? A new C43 AMG. I can also buy a USED CLS 63 AMG, but I prefer NEW. What don’t you get?
I don’t care to line up with a 63, nor do I care to line up against a Porsche 911 turbo. I don’t care to track my car either. Besides, you can line up with a tractor trailer if you want, but the minute you see a cop, you’ll slow down too. Unless, you’re too dense to avoid a ticket. SMH...
Again, you’re just complaining. I know you’re too dense to comprehend all of this. If Mercedes says it is, YOU can’t do anything about it. Why? Because your opinion doesn’t matter to the ones that make the important decisions in that company.
Mercedes’ marketing got me hook line and sinker, the same way used car dealerships got you. How much can my money buy? A new C43 AMG. I can also buy a USED CLS 63 AMG, but I prefer NEW. What don’t you get?
I don’t care to line up with a 63, nor do I care to line up against a Porsche 911 turbo. I don’t care to track my car either. Besides, you can line up with a tractor trailer if you want, but the minute you see a cop, you’ll slow down too. Unless, you’re too dense to avoid a ticket. SMH...
Lmao now I KNOW I hit a nerve. You ignore every salient point, parrot back my own words because you can’t keep up, then tell me because your C450 Sport is one year newer than my car I’ve been duped? Bro that’s just pathetic. You know you couldn’t even option out that housewife car to cost as much as a CPO CLS63 of the same vintage. Don’t pretend you could, my car cost as much as a loaded C63S when I bought it.
WTf does that last line even mean? A ****ing tractor? What??? Please man, get a real AMG next time and we won’t have a problem.
Lmao now I KNOW I hit a nerve. You ignore every salient point, parrot back my own words because you can’t keep up, then tell me because your C450 Sport is one year newer than my car I’ve been duped? Bro that’s just pathetic. You know you couldn’t even option out that housewife car to cost as much as a CPO CLS63 of the same vintage. Don’t pretend you could, my car cost as much as a loaded C63S when I bought it.
WTf does that last line even mean? A ****ing tractor? What??? Please man, get a real AMG next time and we won’t have a problem.
On the contrary, you’re the one who took the AMG marketing bait hook, line and sinker. The philosophy “one man, one engine” is for their employees not you the consumer. Seems like you wish to adopt it as your own, even though you’re not on AMG’s payroll for their engine building department. Clearly you are drunk on AMG’s “one man, one engine” cool aid.
I don’t need an AMG badge on the car to feel cool. Your replies on the other hand indicate you need a plaque with someone’s name on your engine to feel special.
Are you hurt and offended because Mercedes went behind your back, tuned an engine off the assembly line, and slapped AMG badges on a car and sold it as an AMG? Why’d they do it without consulting you? Because, the same reason you’re not on their payroll in the AMG engine department, neither are you on the payroll as an AMG consultant. It’s an AMG, beg to differ? Go hunt down Tobias and ask him yourself.
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