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Nothing childish pointing out a Turd Polish defense as being just that...
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Handling the truth, that's rich. You seems like a piece of work that's not open to dissenting opinion... you challenge Dave for corroborating evidence or personal experiences and when someone posts up, and it doesn't match your agenda, you immediately discount it. It's obvious you want to argue for the sake of arguing and are not interested in hearing actual truthful experiences...
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Name calling and silly pictures, detract from your quest for information. If you were really looking, you can find what you want. Maybe asking nicely. This has devolved to a point where anything given to you information wise would simply be fodder for your hate cannon. At least that is how it appears.
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Handling the truth, that's rich. You seems like a piece of work that's not open to dissenting opinion... you challenge Dave for corroborating evidence or personal experiences and when someone posts up, and it doesn't match your agenda, you immediately discount it. It's obvious you want to argue for the sake of arguing and are not interested in hearing actual truthful experiences...
I'll wait for your response ..
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Go educate yourself like we did... why would anyone want to educate someone who is as caustic as you, especially given it appears you have zero interest in the product. If anyone is truly interested in learning more I'm sure there are those who will help them. We've all met Dave... he is an upstanding member of the enthusiast community. The tact you chose to follow in your quest was probably the worst path to follow. Slanderous posts and personal attacks of peoples credibility are a sure fire way for people to completely dispel whatever you post.
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Go educate yourself like we did... why would anyone want to educate someone who is as caustic as you, especially given it appears you have zero interest in the product. If anyone is truly interested in learning more I'm sure there are those who will help them. We've all met Dave... he is an upstanding member of the enthusiast community. The tact you chose to follow in your quest was probably the worst path to follow. Slanderous posts and personal attacks of peoples credibility are a sure fire way for people to completely dispel whatever you post.
Hey Brett,
Couldn't agree more but I'm a little disappointed as I thought there would be more of intellectual argument based on facts and not attacking a man's character. Correct me if I'm wrong but are we talking about EC and not some fly by night tuner? The overwhelming support for this company's reputation far exceeds anything I can type here ask the entire forum here don't take my advice. So they rolled out a product without the due diligence of research just in pursue of the momentary reward? But hey you paid full retail so the dealer knows best as they say in Brooklyn get the F$#@ out of here.
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Go educate yourself like we did... why would anyone want to educate someone who is as caustic as you, especially given it appears you have zero interest in the product. If anyone is truly interested in learning more I'm sure there are those who will help them. We've all met Dave... he is an upstanding member of the enthusiast community. The tact you chose to follow in your quest was probably the worst path to follow. Slanderous posts and personal attacks of peoples credibility are a sure fire way for people to completely dispel whatever you post.
So you don't know what the limits are and yet you defend a product you bought fully understanding nothing about what the torque limits are in place to protect..
Do us all a favor and post up the torque limits you upgraded from to the limits you now have on your W213 e63s.. Simple question deserves a simple answer..
So for those that don't know what torque loads are have a look at this web page and you can see they vary depending on the hardware used and who knows what the OEM hardware is rated too ?
https://www.fandisc.com/disc-springs...ue-values.html
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/b...er-d_1365.html
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So you don't know what the limits are and yet you defend a product you bought fully understanding nothing about what the torque limits are in place to protect..
Do us all a favor and post up the torque limits you upgraded from to the limits you now have on your W213 e63s.. Simple question deserves a simple answer..
Do us all a favor and post up the torque limits you upgraded from to the limits you now have on your W213 e63s.. Simple question deserves a simple answer..
I don't think anyone would dispute the torque limits, placed by Mercedes Benz are there to protect the drive-train from damage. There is nothing more to understand in that regard. It could be reasonably argued the same limits are in place on the engine controls for the same reason. To protect the engine. Any setting outside of the factory parameters presents the opportunity for damage. Buyer beware? This does not stop most enthusiasts from "adjusting" those values. One could say the same for any part not designed by or for the OEM to OEM specifications yes?
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So you don't know what the limits are and yet you defend a product you bought fully understanding nothing about what the torque limits are in place to protect..
Do us all a favor and post up the torque limits you upgraded from to the limits you now have on your W213 e63s.. Simple question deserves a simple answer..
Do us all a favor and post up the torque limits you upgraded from to the limits you now have on your W213 e63s.. Simple question deserves a simple answer..
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Do the numbers really matter? If it went from 3 to 4? Would that make your opinion different? Could we agree that there is a change to the limit with a TCU reprogram?
I don't think anyone would dispute the torque limits, placed by Mercedes Benz are there to protect the drive-train from damage. There is nothing more to understand in that regard. It could be reasonably argued the same limits are in place on the engine controls for the same reason. To protect the engine. Any setting outside of the factory parameters presents the opportunity for damage. Buyer beware? This does not stop most enthusiasts from "adjusting" those values. One could say the same for any part not designed by or for the OEM to OEM specifications yes?
I don't think anyone would dispute the torque limits, placed by Mercedes Benz are there to protect the drive-train from damage. There is nothing more to understand in that regard. It could be reasonably argued the same limits are in place on the engine controls for the same reason. To protect the engine. Any setting outside of the factory parameters presents the opportunity for damage. Buyer beware? This does not stop most enthusiasts from "adjusting" those values. One could say the same for any part not designed by or for the OEM to OEM specifications yes?
Sorry you missed them or wont be a part of it.
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So for those that don't know what torque loads are have a look at this web page and you can see they vary depending on the hardware used and who knows what the OEM hardware is rated too ?
https://www.fandisc.com/disc-springs...ue-values.html
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/b...er-d_1365.html
https://www.fandisc.com/disc-springs...ue-values.html
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/b...er-d_1365.html
You can edit but not reply?
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Do the numbers really matter? If it went from 3 to 4? Would that make your opinion different? Could we agree that there is a change to the limit with a TCU reprogram?
I don't think anyone would dispute the torque limits, placed by Mercedes Benz are there to protect the drive-train from damage. There is nothing more to understand in that regard. It could be reasonably argued the same limits are in place on the engine controls for the same reason. To protect the engine. Any setting outside of the factory parameters presents the opportunity for damage. Buyer beware? This does not stop most enthusiasts from "adjusting" those values. One could say the same for any part not designed by or for the OEM to OEM specifications yes?
I don't think anyone would dispute the torque limits, placed by Mercedes Benz are there to protect the drive-train from damage. There is nothing more to understand in that regard. It could be reasonably argued the same limits are in place on the engine controls for the same reason. To protect the engine. Any setting outside of the factory parameters presents the opportunity for damage. Buyer beware? This does not stop most enthusiasts from "adjusting" those values. One could say the same for any part not designed by or for the OEM to OEM specifications yes?
But this is a W213 e63s we are talking about see how the numbers matter
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It would be your assertion that the limit ( number ) in place by the factory ( designed the components ) using math and Scientific Method should not be exceeded because very fine people do the math.
If I told you definitively the number went from 3 to 4, you would almost certainly reply with " that's more than the very fine engineers whom designed the part think it can handle ". Perhaps with a few remarks regarding stupidity or marketing.
This logic applies to any platform, make model or otherwise.
When it comes to "tuning, re-calibrating or modifying" any car or component we rely on the near universal fact that OEM's build up to ensure reasonable reliability in many, many different situations. Leveraging that over build, we can make the product perform outside of the factory's intent. Is there some risk? Probably. Many are willing to take that risk. Is your vehicle "tuned"?
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Ya got time to post ya got time to answer the questions, it's been since 6-17-2020
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Man it’s almost shocking he doesn't want to spend the time on the phone with you as he has countless others? I mean you seem so pleasant with all your **** taking, stalking, posting in every forum all for something you have zero interest in buying. Hell most the attacks are not even automotive related but more on the political side. Yea I just can’t imagine why? Maybe your partner Muffins who says he wants to develop his own tune can ask him to fill in the blanks and have more luck? So Dave has the fastest cars on two other platforms but no idea how to tune or what the TQ values are when he can actually adjust them in the TCU based on the tunes and TQ..... you make a compelling argument....
Inquiring minds are waiting for a fact based answer to a simple question..
What are the OEM torque load specs and what are they turned up to ?
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See here is why the numbers do not matter to you.
It would be your assertion that the limit ( number ) in place by the factory ( designed the components ) using math and Scientific Method should not be exceeded because very fine people do the math.
If I told you definitively the number went from 3 to 4, you would almost certainly reply with " that's more than the very fine engineers whom designed the part think it can handle ". Perhaps with a few remarks regarding stupidity or marketing.
This logic applies to any platform, make model or otherwise.
When it comes to "tuning, re-calibrating or modifying" any car or component we rely on the near universal fact that OEM's build up to ensure reasonable reliability in many, many different situations. Leveraging that over build, we can make the product perform outside of the factory's intent. Is there some risk? Probably. Many are willing to take that risk. Is your vehicle "tuned"?
It would be your assertion that the limit ( number ) in place by the factory ( designed the components ) using math and Scientific Method should not be exceeded because very fine people do the math.
If I told you definitively the number went from 3 to 4, you would almost certainly reply with " that's more than the very fine engineers whom designed the part think it can handle ". Perhaps with a few remarks regarding stupidity or marketing.
This logic applies to any platform, make model or otherwise.
When it comes to "tuning, re-calibrating or modifying" any car or component we rely on the near universal fact that OEM's build up to ensure reasonable reliability in many, many different situations. Leveraging that over build, we can make the product perform outside of the factory's intent. Is there some risk? Probably. Many are willing to take that risk. Is your vehicle "tuned"?
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Hell I was hoping you could because so far not one W213 e63s owner has replied as to what the torque load specs stock are and what they are after the modifications to the TCU programing..
Neve have I asked a tech question from a so called tuner and not gotten a detailed response pointing out the benefits of the modification.
Torque load ratings matter for a reason..
Neve have I asked a tech question from a so called tuner and not gotten a detailed response pointing out the benefits of the modification.
Torque load ratings matter for a reason..
