Question, will the racechip be detected as ever being installed on my car, even after I remove it?
if so, why is this?

 

If there is a big warranty claim - Benz in Germany may require the dealer to send the ecu to them for analytics. Racechip leaves a residue in the sense that error codes are ignored thanks to racechip in order to push boost and fuel trims etc. this all gets logged.

 

RaceChip , whatever possessed you ?

 

$636 for supposed ~ +70lbs tq.
say no more.
I guess the price is what convinced me.

 

Let me unconvince you...

They got taken to court in Germany .


https://www.wettbewerbszentrale.de/d...eilung/?id=346


For my car they claim +120Nm , impossible...

Remappers claim 50 - 65 Nm .


One born....

 

I can’t read German. What are the cliff notes of this?
TBH even if I got half of their claim, it’s the only reasonable modification I would want to do considering cost to benefit. As opposed to an intake, filters, or exhaust mod.

 

02/14/2019 // Higher Regional Court of Stuttgart prohibits misleading and incomplete tuning advertising - Competition headquarters wins against RaceChip with the support of Menold Bezler -

With judgment of February 14, 2019, the Stuttgart Higher Regional Court, Az. 2 U 123/18, prohibited RaceChip Chiptuning GmbH & Co. KG from advertising or marketing modules for increasing the performance of motor vehicles, provided that the specified parameters of the increase in performance - as documented by means of certain advertising examples - do not correspond to the facts.

Furthermore, the company was forbidden - also with regard to a specific advertising example - to advertise or market modules to increase the performance of motor vehicles if there is no parts certificate for the respective modules and there is no clear reference to this in the advertising and offers for these models it takes place that they may only be used with an additional, chargeable individual purchase.

About the topic

The defendant, a distributor of so-called tuning chips - i.e. modules that are used to increase the performance (PS / kW, Nm) of car engines - advertised three different variants of chip tuning modules on its website in the online shop. The modules differ in price and performance increase. For example, the “RaceChip Pro 2” module for a BMW 320d 184 HP with an increase in output of “+ 43 HP” was shown. According to the parts certificate from TÜV Austria Automotive GmbH attached to this module, the increase in performance (after converting kW into PS) is only "+29 PS". The “RaceChip Ultimate” module for a VW Golf VII 2.0 TDI 150 PS was shown with an increase in performance of “+43 PS”, although the parts certificate only confirmed an increase of “+23 PS”. In the case of another module for a Mercedes E250 CDI 204 PS, the difference between the advertised value and the value shown in the parts certificate was even 180%, namely "+57 PS" compared to "+20 PS". The competition center criticized these deviating performance data as misleading advertising.

Since the defendant did not provide a component certificate for many of its modules and did not (sufficiently) point this out in the advertising, the competition headquarters warned this because of missing information on essential properties. Because if a parts certificate is not available, the buyer of such a module has to commission a fee-based individual acceptance with a testing organization when it is installed. Otherwise the vehicle's operating license expires. In addition, the owner and driver of the vehicle can lose insurance coverage if such a tuned vehicle causes an accident, the manufacturer can reject warranty claims, an administrative offense can be punished or criminal investigations can be initiated.

To the judicial process

Contrary to the lower court (LG Ulm), which had dismissed the action of the competition center, the OLG Stuttgart made it clear in the oral hearing on 07.02.2019 that the action of the competition center was well founded. Concrete increases in performance in the tuning area should only be advertised if they correspond to the facts. In addition, consumers should be informed that if the parts certificate is missing, an individual acceptance of the vehicle will be required. Insofar as the defendant had made an out of court declaration of cease and desist to the competition center, the court did not consider this to be sufficient. Because the defendant had reserved a performance deviation of 10% from the total output (engine output + module output) and did not promise a sufficiently high contractual penalty.

Due to this clear vote of the Senate, the defendant recognized the claims of the competition headquarters during the oral hearing.

"The business practice complained about contains competition violations", as lawyer Dr. Andreas Ottofülling from the competition headquarters explains. The law of fair trading prohibits misleading advertising to customers as well as the withholding of essential information relevant to the purchase. Such advertising methods put manufacturers who behave in accordance with the law at a disadvantage as well as consumers, Ottofülling points out.

Competition headquarters
The competition center is the largest and most influential self-regulatory institution for fair competition. The non-profit organization is supported by more than 1,200 companies and over 800 chambers and business associations. It is financed solely from the economy and does not receive any public funding. As a cross-sector, neutral and independent institution of the German economy, it enforces the competition and consumer protection regulations in the market - if necessary by court. It offers comprehensive information services, advises its members on all legal questions relating to competition and supports the legislature as a neutral advisor in shaping the legal framework for competition.

Contact:
Headquarters for Combating Unfair Competition Frankfurt am Main eV
Munich Office
Dr. Andreas Ottofülling
Landsberger Str. 191
80687 Munich
Tel .: 089 592219
E-Mail: %20ottofuelling%20@wettbewerbszentrale.de

 

Oh dear!! Good tuning isn't cheap! cheap tuning isn't good!! Simple!

 

HaHa!!

 

pointless mapping unless you get the CPC and TCU done

 

I wish my TCU could be done...

 

Buying a $100k car and then going with the cheapest tuner possible lol wonders never cease.

 

At the point you are digging into the engine electronics / mappings on any car, you should assume you are now your own warranty shop for engine and related issues.

The sophistication of the ECUs will continue to evolve to detect anything that isn't factory - and no manufacturer wants to pay for claims generated by someone else futzing with their design specifications.

 

Why can’t you get done mate??

 

722.9 , 7g + .

It's a slow changing slush box , it's a 204 250 CDI that both makes and loses torque in low rpm , yet near or at WOT wants to chase a screaming 4700 rpm up change point .

 

Ah I see!

 

The will know something was up because the trail it leaves of possible cleared codes and mainly higher boost levels throughout the range (Racechip doesn't overboost factory max boost, but it does make your car reach factory max boost much earlier in the RPM range). So, they can deduct that something was messing up with factory settings but they cannot prove it. Then is it the case of not guilty until proven otherwise???

 

Makin boost earlier , might as well fit a pedal box .
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I think maybe the moral of the story here is you get what you pay for and also don’t start worrying about your warranty if you start adding mods! Do your research first!!

 

What happens is the dealer reports it to MB. MB black lists it. You can then try to get it reversed but they won't listen. You can always go legal but by the time you win (unlikely) you'll have spent so much it won't matter. Somewhere here there are a few posts by muffinflavored(?) about his experience. If you tune it and you break it you pay to fix it.

 

Yeah, you said it best.
This is the price I must pay for demanding more out of it.

 

Makes sense, cheap insurance to get something like Renntech tune. Then again, it is tempting spending 1/5th of the cost to get similar gains and take your chances....but that's the key word "take your chances" and not fully rely on factory warranty should something happen (take the responsibility for the risk you're taking).

 

What gets me is the tuning box Vs remapping debate .

Fooling crucial sensor information is not tuning and even dangerous for the engine .

https://medium.com/car-mag/my-road-t...w-d63f378525e8

Why , why are still these one sided tuning box views coming across like K&N etc when in reality...


https://www.p-v-e.co.uk/tuning-boxes/











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