Preface and facelift W213 E63s review.
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just finished watching it...
It draws out a lot of good points and relieves my envy of the new car (thinking that it would so much more comfortable).
One thing to note.. the wagon already has tail lights that look very similar to the facelifted car.
on my 2018, I added these aluminum trim pieces to my steering wheel and they really update it nicely though I do like the 19 wheel.
Silver 8pc Steering Wheel Control/Button Trims For 2017-up Mercedes W213 E-Class | eBay
I'm sorta thinking that the 18-20 cars might prove to be better at holding values and being looked at as quite special in the future... dare I say like a 997.2 (911)?
they will be the last of the "drama" cars.
It draws out a lot of good points and relieves my envy of the new car (thinking that it would so much more comfortable).
One thing to note.. the wagon already has tail lights that look very similar to the facelifted car.
on my 2018, I added these aluminum trim pieces to my steering wheel and they really update it nicely though I do like the 19 wheel.
Silver 8pc Steering Wheel Control/Button Trims For 2017-up Mercedes W213 E-Class | eBay
I'm sorta thinking that the 18-20 cars might prove to be better at holding values and being looked at as quite special in the future... dare I say like a 997.2 (911)?
they will be the last of the "drama" cars.
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I have an incoming '21 wagon with a May ETA. The biggest disappointment for me will be stripping out the IWC clock which was probably a consultant driven cost reduction, and possibly the quieter OEM exhaust. I am hoping that the US cars are not as impacted as the Euro cars. On the positive side, I will appreciate the softer ride.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
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I have an incoming '21 wagon with a May ETA. The biggest disappointment for me will be stripping out the IWC clock which was probably a consultant driven cost reduction, and possibly the quieter OEM exhaust. I am hoping that the US cars are not as impacted as the Euro cars. On the positive side, I will appreciate the softer ride.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
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I have an incoming '21 wagon with a May ETA. The biggest disappointment for me will be stripping out the IWC clock which was probably a consultant driven cost reduction, and possibly the quieter OEM exhaust. I am hoping that the US cars are not as impacted as the Euro cars. On the positive side, I will appreciate the softer ride.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
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I have an incoming '21 wagon with a May ETA. The biggest disappointment for me will be stripping out the IWC clock which was probably a consultant driven cost reduction, and possibly the quieter OEM exhaust. I am hoping that the US cars are not as impacted as the Euro cars. On the positive side, I will appreciate the softer ride.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
Thank you for the post, it was very useful.
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I had a 2019 and now a 2021. The sound difference is noticeable for sure, but I don't think my '19 was as loud as the pre-facelift in that video. I think I still prefer the front end of my '19, but I prefer the ride comfort and interior changes (minus the lost IWC clock) in my 2021.
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I've been studying these things like a hawk. The noise thing in his vid is bs. Just remove resonators and voila, you have sound. Since performance is the same, the big thing is the MBUX system and of course the front and rear end.
That said, what year did the MBUX come out? Was it available any other years before 2021?
That said, what year did the MBUX come out? Was it available any other years before 2021?
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I've been studying these things like a hawk. The noise thing in his vid is bs. Just remove resonators and voila, you have sound. Since performance is the same, the big thing is the MBUX system and of course the front and rear end.
That said, what year did the MBUX come out? Was it available any other years before 2021?
That said, what year did the MBUX come out? Was it available any other years before 2021?
MBUX debuted on the 2021 E63‘s.
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The muted sound is mostly due to the OPF filters required by new EU regs, but also new noise restrictions in the regs as well. It’s my understanding that North American cars are not affected by this, but I still wonder. They will often apply changes to the entire production for simplicity efficiency of production. Doesn’t seem to be a definitive answer for the NA cars yet.
MBUX debuted on the 2021 E63‘s.
MBUX debuted on the 2021 E63‘s.
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That's the point though. I don't think doing anything other than a downpipe swap out is going to give the exhaust any extra life. I opted for high flow cats that should do the trick and avoid the issues of the CEL - just need to make sure that the 200 CEL cat is high quality. The trouble then becomes the downpipe is going to cost as much as a good aftermarket exhaust.
I did a Cete EVM to open the valve and it barely made a difference in the sound; its all suppressed in the cat.
I did a Cete EVM to open the valve and it barely made a difference in the sound; its all suppressed in the cat.
Hm, bummer. But those two objects in the downpipes are primary and secondary cats (see 2018-2020 downpipes below). OPF filters are a whole different thing and usually much larger (from what I've seen). My guess is they made the exhaust system quieter to satisfy the new euro regs and gave north america the same system. Again, bummer. I really didn't want to have to deal with getting Akrapovich or something. But I'd rather do that than mess with cats and potentially have MB give me a hard time over warranty repairs. This is my daily so I'm not messing with major mods, been there done that. (I'm waiting for my car to be made)
ive read the new C63 is going 4 cylinder 
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The technologies on the MY21 especially with the new MBUX is much superior than previous generation AMGs and none AMG models, but as α matter of personal opinion, I like the exterior of the preface W213 E63s. As for exhaust notes, I do believe EU has more emissions restrictions than North America so I guess we will have to wait until more 2021 US AMG owners provide input as far as the sound is concern. It is sad that Mercedes is eliminating the IWC clock and performance seats even though new owners are paying more for the facelift W213 E63s.
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That's the point though. I don't think doing anything other than a downpipe swap out is going to give the exhaust any extra life. I opted for high flow cats that should do the trick and avoid the issues of the CEL - just need to make sure that the 200 CEL cat is high quality. The trouble then becomes the downpipe is going to cost as much as a good aftermarket exhaust.
I did a Cete EVM to open the valve and it barely made a difference in the sound; its all suppressed in the cat.
I did a Cete EVM to open the valve and it barely made a difference in the sound; its all suppressed in the cat.
So, I'm afraid the only way to bring back the <2020 E63 exhaust sound is to install an aftermarket cat-back exhaust system. What would be ideal (IMO) is to find a <2020 E63 exhaust system that someone tossed to install aftermarket, but that's relatively rare and they're enormous (I believe 1-piece?) so difficult to ship anywhere. The chances of this happening seem low. I'm going to keep my eye out though!
