Official waiting room for those with a new W213 on order..
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21 Owner’s thoughts
I have a ‘21 wagon. I have no skin in this game - just an opinion. I really don’t see how it would be possible to replace the long dash screen with analog gauges. There is just way too much technology/info on that screen. Too much for my tastes - but that’s another story. If that’s their plan - I’d look at something else.
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I have a ‘21 wagon. I have no skin in this game - just an opinion. I really don’t see how it would be possible to replace the long dash screen with analog gauges. There is just way too much technology/info on that screen. Too much for my tastes - but that’s another story. If that’s their plan - I’d look at something else.
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Bad news. I just received word from my dealer that my MY22 E63 wagon order was unilaterally removed from the NetStar system by MB. Dammit. I'm going to go cry now.
Oh, he did mention that they were replaced with E450 wagons as well, if anyone cares.
Oh, he did mention that they were replaced with E450 wagons as well, if anyone cares.
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This thread is absolutely insane. I need to hang on to my E63 forever apparently.
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That sucks, and like I said before, I'm not holding my breath on my MY21 wagon at this point. My confusion comes from the E450 replacement. If this isn't an emissions certification issue, and instead is a semiconductor shortage issue, wouldn't the E450s be just as effected as much of the electronics should be common?
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That sucks, and like I said before, I'm not holding my breath on my MY21 wagon at this point. My confusion comes from the E450 replacement. If this isn't an emissions certification issue, and instead is a semiconductor shortage issue, wouldn't the E450s be just as effected as much of the electronics should be common?
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Right, it seems likely that it is emissions and/or average fleet fuel economy related. Maybe the CEO's big electrification announcement was just a convenient distraction from the fact that they're way behind (and not able to meet) the EU regs. It's not like they didn't see this coming so it's all a bit strange. Whatever it is, they're creating a lot of unhappy enthusiast-customers with the manner in which they're handling the situation.
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The US most likely does not have anything to do with this. It's the Euro Emission 6 standards that are at play here. If a manufacturer fleet average doesn't meet a certain requirement then that manufacturer is fined millions of euros for every car sold that is over the defined threshold. Automotive brands have been aware of this for years now so it's strange that Merc would just abruptly cancel the E63. Unless, they have not been able to meet their electric sales targets due to the chip shortage and can't risk the fines by selling more high powered gasoline vehicles. The more electric cars/hybrids sold, the lower the fleet average. Thus, Porsche is able to get away with the GT3 because they're selling so many Taycans and hybrids.
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e450 All Terrain
The e450 Wagons are certainly impacted. I made an oder back on February 19th 2021 and it has been all delays since. I was given hope what I was a 3rd decade of June build and that has subsequently been pushed back and I am back in an information black hole. As others have said, the Hermes 2 chip is not included in my build and would be installed in December or January of 2022.
My car was supposed to be built at the end of July. I still have no VIN. I also suspect that at some point they are going to tell me about more options being left out. I get that Mercedes is in a bind, but their communications on this have been horrible. It's a complete backbox and feels pretty sloppy given the price point of many of these builds--especially the e63s.
Alas, I guess it is just wait and see at this point or cancel the order.
My car was supposed to be built at the end of July. I still have no VIN. I also suspect that at some point they are going to tell me about more options being left out. I get that Mercedes is in a bind, but their communications on this have been horrible. It's a complete backbox and feels pretty sloppy given the price point of many of these builds--especially the e63s.
Alas, I guess it is just wait and see at this point or cancel the order.
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I don't understand why MBUSA removed the regular E450 wagon and replaced it with this all-terrain version. Is the A6 All road popular in USA, that is why MB decided to compete with it?
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e450 All Terrain
What boggles the mind in this thread is that E63s are being converted to an E450. If true, that is madness. They aren’t even remotely the same car. One is a family hauler with enough oomph and the other is a fire breathing 600+hp super car cosplaying as a wagon.
I can’t imagine any E63 customer just rolling over and taking the E450. Hell, the E53 ain’t a good substitute either.
MB have a mess on their hands. It’s been made much worse by terrible communication and constantly shifting dates. They need to get some predictability back and deliver on updated timelines instead of just constantly pushing things out.
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Sedans were changed to E53, wagons to 450. It’s not about the buyer when they change in Netstar, it’s about the dealer allocation (actual MB employees can correct me to 100%).
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I was fortunate that I ordered an E450 wagon from the get go. Yeah, the plastic cladding is horrible but a bit more ground clearance is welcome in Colorado. Graphite grey also hides them a bit.
What boggles the mind in this thread is that E63s are being converted to an E450. If true, that is madness. They aren’t even remotely the same car. One is a family hauler with enough oomph and the other is a fire breathing 600+hp super car cosplaying as a wagon.
I can’t imagine any E63 customer just rolling over and taking the E450. Hell, the E53 ain’t a good substitute either.
MB have a mess on their hands. It’s been made much worse by terrible communication and constantly shifting dates. They need to get some predictability back and deliver on updated timelines instead of just constantly pushing things out.
What boggles the mind in this thread is that E63s are being converted to an E450. If true, that is madness. They aren’t even remotely the same car. One is a family hauler with enough oomph and the other is a fire breathing 600+hp super car cosplaying as a wagon.
I can’t imagine any E63 customer just rolling over and taking the E450. Hell, the E53 ain’t a good substitute either.
MB have a mess on their hands. It’s been made much worse by terrible communication and constantly shifting dates. They need to get some predictability back and deliver on updated timelines instead of just constantly pushing things out.
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We have the C-Class wagon in Canada so it is likely it will come to the USA as well.
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Hmmm, I see thanks for the information. I wonder why wagons are converted to 450s instead of 53s, I suppose they are both built in the same plant (of course I could be wrong which explains the decision unless it because of a different reason)
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Marketing choice by MBUSA. As I previously posted, I think that the new 2022 C-class wagon makes a lot more sense to me than continuing the AMG E-class both from an emissions standpoint and consolidation of the offerings. The 4-cyl engine also weighs less than the V8.
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Only two wagon trims offered in the U.S., the All-Terrain and the E63S.
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we also never got the top AMG models of either the A45 or the C63 wagon. Tops out at A35 and C43 Wagon.
