Met with previous short term owner
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21 E63 Wagon
Met with previous short term owner
I bought my ‘21 E63S wagon from a dealer who took it back from a buyer who only drove it about 3,200 miles.
Met up with the guy who owned it to pickup the cargo cover over the weekend. He shared with me the reasons why he sold it so abruptly.
First issue was seat comfort. He also owns a ‘14 E63 and said the seating is much more comfortable and ergonomic. I have to agree, we used to have a ‘14 as well. The seats used to feel more like furniture with less fatigue.
Second issue was the new transmission. He said it was herky jerky from every stop. I have to agree with this as well. I have yet to master the elegant take off.
Third issue was looks. He gave me a side by side rundown of the various body lines and angles that differentiate the two generations. I agreed that the front fender and door lines were better looking. But the grill and front fascia are an upgrade on the ‘21.
He also mentioned the overall rough nature of the engine. I have two friends who each had major rough idle or misses with their new G63 engines. One got a full replacement. Other was coils or something.
It was fun to be able to chat with the previous owner and fellow car nut. Anyone else have similar takeaways?
Met up with the guy who owned it to pickup the cargo cover over the weekend. He shared with me the reasons why he sold it so abruptly.
First issue was seat comfort. He also owns a ‘14 E63 and said the seating is much more comfortable and ergonomic. I have to agree, we used to have a ‘14 as well. The seats used to feel more like furniture with less fatigue.
Second issue was the new transmission. He said it was herky jerky from every stop. I have to agree with this as well. I have yet to master the elegant take off.
Third issue was looks. He gave me a side by side rundown of the various body lines and angles that differentiate the two generations. I agreed that the front fender and door lines were better looking. But the grill and front fascia are an upgrade on the ‘21.
He also mentioned the overall rough nature of the engine. I have two friends who each had major rough idle or misses with their new G63 engines. One got a full replacement. Other was coils or something.
It was fun to be able to chat with the previous owner and fellow car nut. Anyone else have similar takeaways?
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For me, the transmission's behavior when coming to a gradual stop is laughable. You end up doing some somewhat of a complex braking modulation to try to compensate and smooth everything out. I had thought stop and go driving with a performance car was figured out by all other manufacturers 5-10 years ago. I guess I haven't driven enough funky new stuff to know better. I would hate to find out the quadrifoglio doesn't even do this (haha). It's no where near a bad enough flaw to make me not love the car, I just was not expecting it to happen (on a 2020 car).
As for seat comfort and looks, I prefer the newer cars to the w212.
What did the previous owner swap into?
As for seat comfort and looks, I prefer the newer cars to the w212.
What did the previous owner swap into?
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He actually said the older car has a smoother transmission??? I have had both and its not even on the same planet how much smoother the 9speed is over the 7 speed MCT
9 speed makes a lot of noises and barks but the car does not jerk around when coming to a stop. The 7 speed jerks the whole car when coming to a stop.
The seat is more comfortable in the 212 vs the 213, but it took me almost 2 years of incremental changes before I was able to find the best position for the 212 to hold me in and still be comfortable.
The 213 however holds you in a whole lot better and is pretty comfortable from start.
Looks-wise, the 213 looks nicer (obviously it's newer), but the 212 looks a lot more elegant!
9 speed makes a lot of noises and barks but the car does not jerk around when coming to a stop. The 7 speed jerks the whole car when coming to a stop.
The seat is more comfortable in the 212 vs the 213, but it took me almost 2 years of incremental changes before I was able to find the best position for the 212 to hold me in and still be comfortable.
The 213 however holds you in a whole lot better and is pretty comfortable from start.
Looks-wise, the 213 looks nicer (obviously it's newer), but the 212 looks a lot more elegant!
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Yeah, the transmission can be a little jerky at low speed, but I don't think it's that bad at all in comfort mode once you get used to it. I'm in comfort mode 90% of the time unless I'm having fun. It's a result of the type of transmission, which is pretty unusual and unique to Mercedes. They chose it to hold up to the forces of this much power moving this much weight, especially for things such as reliably launching the car in race mode multiple times. It's a single input shaft but multi-plate clutch-pack setup, so that jerkiness is the clutch opening and closing (and slipping) at low speed just like a manual car. This is something dual-clutches avoid, but they tend to be more delicate and complex, which is why so many OEM's are going back to torque-converter autos (BMW, Alfa, Audi). BTW, I had a Giulia Quad and it's a torque-converter auto, very smooth.
Here's an article explaining the AMG Speedshift MCT 9: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ms-112461.html
Oh and the seats aren't the best I've experienced, but I don't think they're that bad either. More comfortable than the other cars I've owned recently except the LR4, but these hold you better.
Here's an article explaining the AMG Speedshift MCT 9: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ms-112461.html
Oh and the seats aren't the best I've experienced, but I don't think they're that bad either. More comfortable than the other cars I've owned recently except the LR4, but these hold you better.
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Agreed that the low speed smoothness of the engine and transmission aren't that great, especially when the car is cold. My impression is that the firmware update for the cylinder misfire CEL issue has made the low speed drivability worse when cold. Reasonably tolerable when warmed up - but since I only drive 4 miles one way to the office the car temp indicators don't always turn white before I get to the office or home.
While I prefer to drive the car in Sport+ most of the time (I've rarely used Sport), I do switch to Comfort for low speed driving in parking lots and the like. That seems to help.
Also use Comfort when settled in on the Interstate because Sport+ wants to be a couple gears lower and fuel economy likely suffers as a result.
While I prefer to drive the car in Sport+ most of the time (I've rarely used Sport), I do switch to Comfort for low speed driving in parking lots and the like. That seems to help.
Also use Comfort when settled in on the Interstate because Sport+ wants to be a couple gears lower and fuel economy likely suffers as a result.
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Yes. Agree with everything. And for some reason this car feels very large to drive whereas the older version felt small and nimble. I don't like not being able to see over the hood.
The wagon is far from perfect but still the best thing on the market for what it is.
The wagon is far from perfect but still the best thing on the market for what it is.
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My experience is that the transmission smooths out as it learns your driving style. Low speed was initially a bit jerky, but that almost completely disappeared after 4000 miles of driving. I have no issue seeing over the hood (it is a "power dome styling", right?) I've even got the CCB's to stop making noise sometimes when stopping at low speeds. No problems with the seats (basically the same as my 2018 E63S), ride behavior in Comfort is much improved from my 2018 car. Still learning the features of the MBUX system.
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Yeah, the transmission can be a little jerky at low speed, but I don't think it's that bad at all in comfort mode once you get used to it. I'm in comfort mode 90% of the time unless I'm having fun. It's a result of the type of transmission, which is pretty unusual and unique to Mercedes. They chose it to hold up to the forces of this much power moving this much weight, especially for things such as reliably launching the car in race mode multiple times. It's a single input shaft but multi-plate clutch-pack setup, so that jerkiness is the clutch opening and closing (and slipping) at low speed just like a manual car. This is something dual-clutches avoid, but they tend to be more delicate and complex, which is why so many OEM's are going back to torque-converter autos (BMW, Alfa, Audi). BTW, I had a Giulia Quad and it's a torque-converter auto, very smooth. And yes Porsche has powerful, heavy cars with dual clutches, but there's a reason they don't offer launch control...too hard on the dual clutch.
Here's an article explaining the AMG Speedshift MCT 9: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ms-112461.html
Oh and the seats aren't the best I've experienced, but I don't think they're that bad either. More comfortable than the other cars I've owned recently except the LR4, but these hold you better.
Here's an article explaining the AMG Speedshift MCT 9: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ms-112461.html
Oh and the seats aren't the best I've experienced, but I don't think they're that bad either. More comfortable than the other cars I've owned recently except the LR4, but these hold you better.
Both of my Porsche Macans (2015/2017) had launch control. The PDK transmission is designed to handle it.
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Really? Well the Panamera's I've driven didn't have launch control.
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It’s part of the Sports Chrono Package. Even the Porsche website list the different 0-60 times with/without this package. Sorry if I ruffled some feathers but Porsche does offer launch control. Just because this package wasn’t on the ones you drove doesn’t mean Porsche doesn’t offer it. I was just informing everybody your statement was incorrect.
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It’s part of the Sports Chrono Package. Even the Porsche website list the different 0-60 times with/without this package. Sorry if I ruffled some feathers but Porsche does offer launch control. Just because this package wasn’t on the ones you drove doesn’t mean Porsche doesn’t offer it. I was just informing everybody your statement was incorrect.
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2021 MB AMG E 63s Wagon, 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo w/Performance Package
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I know that, I was replying to another poster who stated Porsche did not offer launch control yet he owns two of them. It's a must have option in my option and personally wouldn't buy any Porsche without it. Some people are just to cheap to spend the extra $1200+ (depending on the model) on this option for the added benefits the Sport Chrono Package offers.
