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Old Sep 22, 2021 | 11:18 AM
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"I Think There Will Be a Future" for the V-8, Says Mercedes-AMG Boss

by the sound of this article, I'm thinking they are going to dump the cross plane crank and make all V8's w/ a flat plane crank and hybrids.
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Old Sep 22, 2021 | 01:33 PM
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But I just paid $30k over sticker on an E63 build I didn’t like because I read the AMG V8 was dead?!
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Old Sep 22, 2021 | 02:13 PM
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Makes sense to me, I didn't have any expectation that the V8's death was imminent. Technology will help to extend its life by lowering emissions, as we're already seeing with the recently announced hybrid V8 drivetrain. The V8 is too important to MB's, and particularly AMG's brand. I mean, there's a thread here titled something like "If AMG stops making V8's will you still buy one?" They're very aware of this!
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
But I just paid $30k over sticker on an E63 build I didn’t like because I read the AMG V8 was dead?!
For your sake I hope you’re joking.

LOL

the V8s would be gone only for 22. They would be back in 23 hybrid or not, they would be back. This much was clear.
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Room for vast improvement in the E63, and I hope they do!
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Room for vast improvement in the E63, and I hope they do!
What? A non-off-center front camera?
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^^^No doubt! Always room for improvements. Plus a few random thoughts off the top of my head:
-Hybrid drivetrain
-All-wheel steering
-Smoother transmission
-More feel in steering rack
-Simpler user-interface
-Console mounted gear lever
-Less cheap plastic used for interior
-Front and rear integrated dashcam
-Better seats
-No fake centerlock BS on forged wheel option

If I had my car here right now I could double the list but with less important details.

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Seems like with a hybrid to help out, they could tune the ICE for some pretty stout performance, sacrificing emissions under some conditions, and still have lower overall tail pipe emissions at idle and per driving mile.

Maybe not so much per 1/4 mile though ;-)
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
But I just paid $30k over sticker on an E63 build I didn’t like because I read the AMG V8 was dead?!
Salesperson prolly helped perpetuate the lie that 2021 was the last ever V8 to get you to buy.
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Not all dealers all across the US lie or add Additional Dealer Markup. Telling customers no V8s for 2022 is true. Telling customers no more V8s ever is a lie.

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Originally Posted by E55 KEV
Not all dealers all across the US lie or add Additional Dealer Markup. Telling customers no V8s for 2022 is true. Telling customers no more V8s ever is a lie.
Apply the opposite test. Determine the value of a statement by asking "Would the person say the opposite if it were true?" Example, someone stating they didn't kill someone, didn't steal something, didn't cheat, etc. If the answer is "no, they wouldn't say the opposite if it were true", then the statement is worthless. It applies well to politicians.

So, if they weren't going to make anymore V8s or were unsure if they could get enough of a part to resume production in 2023, would they just come out and say that? Very unlikely, so the statement from AMG is, in a practical sense, worthless. The use of the work "think" gives him an out.

I also don't think we've seen their last V8, but I also think they have no idea how the next year or two will go as far as suppliers, chips, etc. So they're putting on a happy face.

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You're all forgetting that the V8 is on sale as usual in the UK as well as those cretins in the EU. It's nothing to do with QA, all to do with Biden and ridiculous EPA regs.

I've got deposits on the SL63 e perf and Final Edition C63S accepted recently, the V8 lives on

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You're all forgetting that the V8 is on sale as usual in the UK as well as those cretins in the EU. It's nothing to do with QA, all to do with Biden and ridiculous EPA regs.

I've got deposits on the SL63 e perf and Final Edition C63S accepted recently, the V8 lives on
There's no emissions reason they can sell 2021 E63s and not 2022 E63s, besides that some ECUs are in short supply.
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EU standards stricter than EPA!

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You're all forgetting that the V8 is on sale as usual in the UK as well as those cretins in the EU. It's nothing to do with QA, all to do with Biden and ridiculous EPA regs.

I've got deposits on the SL63 e perf and Final Edition C63S accepted recently, the V8 lives on
Biden? LOL!

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