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Looking for current valuations on potentially selling my 2018 E63s Wagon in Polar White with Black Leather and Magnolia Flowing Lines wood trim ( very rare). Current Mileage is 13,8XX, as seen in one of the pictures.
MSRP $106,950.00 INSTALLED OPTIONS [149] Polar White $0 [261] Deletion Of Fender Badges $0 [U78] Amg Performance Exhaust System $1,250 [883] Soft Close Doors $550 [872] Heated Rear Seats $580 [61U] Designo Black Dinamica Headliner $1,600 [U80] 115 V Ac Power Outlet $115 [P03] Amg Premium Package: Active Distance Assist Distronic®, Active $3,600 [319] Amg Advanced Lighting Package: Led Intelligent Light System, $1,500 [445] Warmth And Comfort Package: Heated Armrests, Rapid Heating $1,050 [521] Amg Night Package: High Gloss Black Elements: Front Splitter, $750 [H26] Designo Magnolia Wood Trim With Flowing Lines $1,300 [P21] Air Balance Cabin Air Purification And Fragrance System $350 [RTS] 20" Amg Black Cross Spoke Forged Wheels $1,700 [068] Wheel Locking Bolts $150 [432] Active Multicontour Front Seats W/ Massage Feature $1,320 Original Shipping Charge $995 RETAIL PRICE (ORIGINALLY NEW) $123,760.00
A few Notes--This was a Mercedes of North America Buy Back. This is my 3rd E63 estate wagon, I have owed a W211/W212/W213...they just keep getting better. When I was searching, I was very specific about wanting Polar White with Black Leather. Where most have the CF interior, I was taken back by the uniqueness of the Magnolia flowing lines trim. I bought this example knowing it was a buy back, I have the paperwork from the sale, and it was purchased back by Mercedes for the CEL ( Check Engine Light) malfunction that plagued many of the W213's early on. The CEL issue was repaired, and resold to me. There is nothing to be scared of, there is no other story, and I do not need to sell. The car has been bulletproof, is a rocket ship, and well taken care of. I have never put the car in sport+, never launched controlled, and have never put the car in race mode. I know, such a shame when you own an AMG. I have owned nearly every M car, a plethora of Porsche turbos 997/Panamera/Cayenne, and the 4.0 Liter V8 Twinny is an absolute beast, the car makes my wife and daughter crack up under full throttle. There really isn't anything like the estate wagon. Because the cars are special order, they are also the rarest and lowest production car imported into America. There are about 100-150 examples imported a year. And its a shame that V8 version is going away, as in my honest opinion of being on my 3rd 63wagon, it is really a unicorn. No accidents, no story's unknown, I am upfront and honest and know quite alot about the Wagon aka Estate platform.
Add on's and Modifications
Vlad's lowering module---currently I have the car sitting about 15mm lower than stock. I think this is the best mix of looks and comfortability.
Renntech Exhaust Valve Flapper module--allows me to keep the exhaust fully opened all the time. I prefer the sound, and there is a remote control you can use to turn this on and off)
35% Tinted windows all around- not dark at all. Allows 65% of the light into the car.
Valentine One hardwire cord ( Radar not included, however recommended)
Snow/Winter wheel set up, forged FLOWone Race series-Square set up-Michelin Pilot Alpins-265-40-19 all around. Virtually Brand new as I mounted these on the car expecting to drive in the snow a little, but work from home squashed that. Less than 200 miles.
Stored in a garage on a trickle charger when not in use for extended periods of times
I will load interior shots of the flowing lines trim shortly, for some reason I am unable to add to the pictures I already have below.
I am not looking to start an online war, and my ask is that you keep any immature/negative comments to yourselves. The market is sizzle hot right now, and for the right money I would sell versus letting her sit in the garage. I am looking at the GLS63 and possibly 991TTs or 991GT3RS.
Additionally I may just hold onto the car and log low miles. I think valuations will continue to sky rocket for years to come, so this may be the right time to hold on to her as well.
Any questions feel free to text me at 847-736-9135.
For a German luxury car, 20% depreciation is still pretty damn good. Selling now is still a high EV judgment.
That said, my sense is this dip in value will be shallow and short lived with what is to come. In addition to the pre-facelift models being better received and V8s getting axed for MY22, my service advisor was telling me last week that a lot of MY22 customers (including himself) are only now getting their deliveries and a lot of them are missing serious parts of their orders. His GLE was delivered without 4matic. He has one customer that was delivered without the MBUX system - screen is there, but it does not have the head unit installed. He had another that came with no Distronic.
Intel is reporting that their network components now have a lead team of 52 weeks. In addition to silicon, ceramics and rare earth metals, COVID shutowns in South Asia are linked to a shortage of aluminum capacitors. It feels like medium term is going to be worse before it gets better.
If that ends up being true, you might be looking at 20-30% possible upside selling in six months against maybe 5% downside risk if the supply chain cleans back up.
Unless you've got something else in mind, doing what I did is always an option. I've got a pretty loaded '18 that I just bought the extended warranty for until 2025. Nothing really on the horizon I want. If the Porsche Taycan "wagon" is any indication that a Audi RS GT e-tron Avant is on the way, that might get me out of it.
For a German luxury car, 20% depreciation is still pretty damn good. Selling now is still a high EV judgment.
That said, my sense is this dip in value will be shallow and short lived with what is to come. In addition to the pre-facelift models being better received and V8s getting axed for MY22, my service advisor was telling me last week that a lot of MY22 customers (including himself) are only now getting their deliveries and a lot of them are missing serious parts of their orders. His GLE was delivered without 4matic. He has one customer that was delivered without the MBUX system - screen is there, but it does not have the head unit installed. He had another that came with no Distronic.
Intel is reporting that their network components now have a lead team of 52 weeks. In addition to silicon, ceramics and rare earth metals, COVID shutowns in South Asia are linked to a shortage of aluminum capacitors. It feels like medium term is going to be worse before it gets better.
If that ends up being true, you might be looking at 20-30% possible upside selling in six months against maybe 5% downside risk if the supply chain cleans back up.
Feels like a safe hold to me.
I appreciate that info. Searching Autotrader/Cars.com and other online sites, prices are all over the map. Higher mileage 25-35k wagons are prices 100k on up. The variance is quite large. I know the phrase there is an *** for every seat, and while I had to have white with black, some are drawn to matte or black. To each his own. I agree that the supply chain issues are huge. I sell technology, and can tell you first hand the shortages are real. Glass/Intel Chips/ RAM/SSDs are all delayed until mid to late 2022. It is not going to get better. The supply chain woes, specific to Mercedes and AMG cars, will not clear up for another year or more.
I think certain color combos always take a hit on resale. Blue with Brown may not appeal to many. White with Black, tends to sell at higher values as the car looks great in those colors. Depending on the blue ( my W212 E63 estate was Lunar Blue with Black) and that version of blue was very dark like black. In the sun it was amazing, but otherwise it just looked like every other black Mercedes. I think the Matte ( Magno) colors are cool to look at, but then I think how am I going to clean the car and wax the car, and match a paint chip.....I personally wouldn't own one. Cool but not me.
Basically it comes down to what people like. Options are what make these cars special. Mine is a 1 of 1. There is no other optioned the same.
I guess I will entertain offers. See what happens, and kick myself if...when she sells.
I am in no rush.
How come MBZ couldn't fix that CEL on 3-4 shop visits which is what required to qualify for a buy back.
I am not sure if Buy back still makes you qualify for MBZ extended warranty or for that reason, if other warranty companies would cover such a car?
Regardless, it is the time where you can get the most for such a car.
I am not sure what the laws were in Florida for buyback, but it may have been when the CEL issues were being worked thru in 2018. Florida has very lenient laws for buyers, so if the car is at the dealership for a certain amount of days, MBUSA is required to buy it back. Car actually carries the full warranty and is still covered today.
There is a older thread about the CEL, it plagued many of the 2018 W213 63 AMG's, mostly sedans as they sell more sedans than wagons in the states.
Regardless, I would purchase another buy-back in a heartbeat, compared to a vehicle involved in an accident or salvaged and or a total loss. When I purchased, the discount was hard to discern as there were about 4 total W213 wagons for sale in summer/fall of 2019 when I was looking. I drove 100 miles to test drive a black one that was tuned and lowered, but had 21k miles and I was worried about the Renntech tune voiding the warranty since the car wasn't at a MB dealership. Plus black wasn't my jam. It was a pass for me. I bought mine thru a dealership in Florida that took my W212 E63 wagon in on trade sight unseen and gave me top dollar at the time, it was within 2k of what I wanted via private party plus I received the tax credit.
I've been looking for a wagon (matte or black) for a few weeks already and from everything I"ve seen this is a 95-105K vehicle. The 'buy-back' esp if it's on the carfax will hurt resale a bit, so potentially towards the lower end of that spectrum.
I have been following several dealer cars sitting on lots and a few have dropped prices this week. Surprisingly there are some fair deals to be had from dealers for around 100K, but would require me to pay sales tax (which I avoid purchasing private party).
Following the matte '18 on BAT this week and that should give you a great indication of where market is on these cars, although the matte one is higher MSRP and not a buy back.
Thank you for the insight. I know it is hard to put a value on when these cars don't come up for sale often, and there are usually less than 10 decent examples for sale at one time. Matte may be hard to find, black should be out there for you. I was hoping for 100k or more, and I don't want to be unrealistic. Anything less would be a step backwards for me, as letting go of by far the best rendition of the wagon I have owned, and a car I keep coming back to. In between the W211 and W212 I have a 997 911 Turbo as my play car, then a Panamera Turbo after that was a daily driver ( loved it but the cost to maintain after 50k miles was insane) Leased a BMW M4 Cabriolet, which is a ton of car for the money, hardtop, great motor and exhaust, but I traded out of the lease for the W212 E63s wagon with AWD. Loved the car, the motor, but the technology was clunky and a left me envious of any new car that had digital dash and a user friendly interface. When I drive the W213, it isn't even close....the car is a swiss army knife. It can do anything. Seats 5 plus carries a full set of snow tires. True Story, the car is as fast as my uncles 458 Italia in a straight line, I kept up with a Huracan ( with my wife and daughter in the car) leaving the Lambo shaking his head. While the 991 TTS or GT3RS is calling my name, its a go cart compared to the estate. The money would have to be decent in order for me to sell it to chase another stupid decision lol.
I suppose the flip side is I could tune the car for about $3k and have an 800hp monster wagon. Thank you for the replies...appreciate everyone taking the time.
BTW..looking a BaT, wow those recent wagon sales are insane. I saw a red W212 go for $91k miles. Unreal. Prior W213's were in that 95-100K range with 30k mileage. This market is really something.
Last edited by panameraTT; Oct 5, 2021 at 07:20 PM.
Reason: adding BaT info
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by socialpro
I've been looking for a wagon (matte or black) for a few weeks already and from everything I"ve seen this is a 95-105K vehicle. The 'buy-back' esp if it's on the carfax will hurt resale a bit, so potentially towards the lower end of that spectrum.
I have been following several dealer cars sitting on lots and a few have dropped prices this week. Surprisingly there are some fair deals to be had from dealers for around 100K, but would require me to pay sales tax (which I avoid purchasing private party).
Following the matte '18 on BAT this week and that should give you a great indication of where market is on these cars, although the matte one is higher MSRP and not a buy back.
When you purchase a vehicle through a private sale, you must pay the associated local and state taxes. In most states, you’ll need to bring your Bill of Sale and signed title to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) or motor vehicle registry agency to pay your taxes and obtain your registration, new title, and plates. If you purchased the vehicle in another state, you should pay the sales tax in that state and bring proof of payment to the DMV when you register the vehicle in your state. In most cases, that will fulfill your sales tax obligation, although you will be responsible for vehicle registration fees. If you do not bring sufficient documentation of having paid sales taxes in another state, the DMV may ask you to pay sales tax in your state, too.
When you purchase a vehicle through a private sale, you must pay the associated local and state taxes. In most states, you’ll need to bring your Bill of Sale and signed title to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) or motor vehicle registry agency to pay your taxes and obtain your registration, new title, and plates. If you purchased the vehicle in another state, you should pay the sales tax in that state and bring proof of payment to the DMV when you register the vehicle in your state. In most cases, that will fulfill your sales tax obligation, although you will be responsible for vehicle registration fees. If you do not bring sufficient documentation of having paid sales taxes in another state, the DMV may ask you to pay sales tax in your state, too.
Arizona and Nevada have non-taxable private party sales! Part of a reason it's so great to be a car enthusiast in this state.
The market is insane on these right now, especially with a good spec. Things are worth as much as people will buy them for, and people seem to be paying up for an amg wagon. My guess is with the buyback, you may get a closer to no history price right now than if the market settles on these on the future. People will overlook that to get their hands on a nice car. With that said, black leather and brown wood is a bit of an odd spec for a white car which may hurt too.
Appreciate the response. You are the first to say the brown flowing lines with black is an odd spec, on a white car. Goes to show you what I find striking, others may not. Fortunately the wood or trim doesn't make the car go fast. Interesting thing is I couldn't find a magnolia flowing line trim on any E63 wagon with black leather. Maybe that reinforces what I was saying about it being a unique one of one vehicle. I happen to love it. Different strokes for different folks.
If you are looking to comp your car, you can only look at 2018s and then ding it a tiny bit for buyback and mods. 2018s are already at the lower end of the curve, so no need to totally hammer your valuation because of the title...in my opinion. Guys that are shopping for a 2018 are not going to be the most up tight buyers for these cars.
For a German luxury car, 20% depreciation is still pretty damn good. Selling now is still a high EV judgment.
That said, my sense is this dip in value will be shallow and short lived with what is to come. In addition to the pre-facelift models being better received and V8s getting axed for MY22, my service advisor was telling me last week that a lot of MY22 customers (including himself) are only now getting their deliveries and a lot of them are missing serious parts of their orders. His GLE was delivered without 4matic. He has one customer that was delivered without the MBUX system - screen is there, but it does not have the head unit installed. He had another that came with no Distronic.
Intel is reporting that their network components now have a lead team of 52 weeks. In addition to silicon, ceramics and rare earth metals, COVID shutowns in South Asia are linked to a shortage of aluminum capacitors. It feels like medium term is going to be worse before it gets better.
If that ends up being true, you might be looking at 20-30% possible upside selling in six months against maybe 5% downside risk if the supply chain cleans back up.
When you purchase a vehicle through a private sale, you must pay the associated local and state taxes. In most states, you’ll need to bring your Bill of Sale and signed title to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) or motor vehicle registry agency to pay your taxes and obtain your registration, new title, and plates. If you purchased the vehicle in another state, you should pay the sales tax in that state and bring proof of payment to the DMV when you register the vehicle in your state. In most cases, that will fulfill your sales tax obligation, although you will be responsible for vehicle registration fees. If you do not bring sufficient documentation of having paid sales taxes in another state, the DMV may ask you to pay sales tax in your state, too.
I have never figured out how DMV charges sales tax on a used car. I always thought an item can only be taxed once in its life. DMV gets away with it. I smell desperation.
I find interesting the potential for arbitrage opportunities between BaT and CaB. Above $100K or so bidding on CaB seems to fizzle out, and similar cars would fetch another $10K - $20K on BaT.
In this price range there are frequently only 2 bidders so it's easy for life to intervene, someone can't get their bid in, and a car will sell for well below where it might otherwise have sold.
I find interesting the potential for arbitrage opportunities between BaT and CaB. Above $100K or so bidding on CaB seems to fizzle out, and similar cars would fetch another $10K - $20K on BaT.
In this price range there are frequently only 2 bidders so it's easy for life to intervene, someone can't get their bid in, and a car will sell for well below where it might otherwise have sold.
Was thinking about the same thing earlier this week, but keep seeing the same bidders over and over for these cars.
Doesn't feel like this market is liquid enough to do many of these transactions.
