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Stuff like this definitely makes me worry since mine a 2021 and will be out of warranty in about 18 months. Can't imagine fixing this issue during the warranty period only to have to deal with it again down the line when you're out of warranty. Maybe it's not a bad idea to have an escape plan just in case. For all those leaving behind MB, what are you all buying instead? The automotive landscape to me seems pretty mediocre for four door performance cars (not including SUVs or EVs) outside of maybe the Blackwing CT5, I just don't see anything out there. There's plenty of two door options though.
Audi RS6 Avant
Audi RS7
Panamera GTS or Turbo
new M5 for 2025 model year
Yeah, if I walk away from this car, it will likely be a Porsche Panamera GTS or Turbo or a Cadillac CT5 V Blackwing. I find the RS6 to be a downgrade in all areas except external aesthetics. But this is a tough car to walk away from.
I very much am in love with my S213! Not too worried about the RMS or AOS with aftermarket PCV’s installed.
The gadgetry is a little annoying as my parking and collision sensors fire up all the time in the garage and cause errors. Three kids with toys and junk all over the place that never disappears makes for a very unhappy ECU.
The nannies scream so loud and so often they have become useless since I have been trained to completely ignore them. The MOST annoying one is every month or so when reversing into a parallel parking spot (manually because the flipping parking assist thingy NEVER seems to see a spot) the car will suddenly SLAM on the brakes so hard it feels like I hit something! I get out of the car, walk around it, all I can think of is the car thought a tar strip or a leaf or a fly or something was an obstruction and the car has "saved" itself from me. It's quite exhilarating thinking for a moment that I just smashed into something somehow.
Ah so that’s what’s happening! Yes the brakes have slammed in very odd circumstances at least twice.
I think so. I haven't had a chance to look in the menus to desensitize it or whatever. Mostly because perhaps one day the car might save my life but didn't because I turned it off. ??
What scares me more is threading the needle because some dumbass pulls in front, and right when avoiding them the nannies cause me to almost wreck because the car doesn't want to cut someone off or thinks the empty shoulder is not a good place for us to go to avoid hitting another car.
I feel like the safeties in my 212 were a lot more natural, the 213 is a huge step backwards in this regard.
/thread hijack
Last edited by I.T. Guy; Mar 18, 2024 at 01:40 PM.
I was driving approx 30mph with no one near me (luckily) and it decided there was someone in front of me and did a full panic stop. If someone had been behind me they probably would have plowed into the back of me. I turned most o\fr the auto stuff off after that.
I was driving approx 30mph with no one near me (luckily) and it decided there was someone in front of me and did a full panic stop. If someone had been behind me they probably would have plowed into the back of me. I turned most o\fr the auto stuff off after that.
This is concerning thank you for sharing.
Luckily driving forwards I've only had beeping and the seatbelts loudly emergency tighten up (for no reason). All my "panic stops" have been slow speed in reverse.
2019 e63s with 28k miles getting a RMS fixed. Dealer here in seattle is refusing to replace oil separators under warranty so I guess we will see if it leaks again. (car was originally in Manhattan I purchased it as CPO and had it shipped)
Guys I am working with 63 Motorsports on a dual catch can system that aids in preventing this from happening. The parts are in, we will install and report back to the forums here.
E63 S AMG, CLS550 4matic, C63 Ed 507, Volvo XC90 T8s
Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
This is concerning thank you for sharing.
Luckily driving forwards I've only had beeping and the seatbelts loudly emergency tighten up (for no reason). All my "panic stops" have been slow speed in reverse.
Regarding slow speed reverse panic stops, that is all I have experienced but it is quite violent - really like I hit something. And usually it is because the rear view cameras senses movement in the background ( like one of my kids in field of camera view but well away from direction the car is reversing). The system is just really risk averse. Also regarding distronic programming for frontal crash warning, very clear that my 2021 model E63 has a MUCH more conservative software program than my old 2014 CLS. I do think the frontal crash warning in my C218 is more appropriate than this W213 and the 213 definitely feels like an annoying nanny than a real driver assistance feature.
2019 e63s with 28k miles getting a RMS fixed. Dealer here in seattle is refusing to replace oil separators under warranty so I guess we will see if it leaks again. (car was originally in Manhattan I purchased it as CPO and had it shipped)
Was your RMS failure caused by too much crankcase pressure or vacuum?
I am the initial development S213 for the 63 Motorsports “Catch Can”. It is actually a Positive Crankcase Ventilation System that is mechanically ran. It is not a catch can. 🙂
In my own thread I have shown used oil analysis that was required to monitor before and after install.
Extensive OEM testing and still resulting in RMS failures to me IS a complete and utter dud.
63 Motorsports isnt one to be in on greed focused research and development as their track record sticks to only replacing failure problem points in AMG’s as seen on product offering. It’s great to have aftermarket support to attempt resolving obvious factory failures.
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Guys I am working with 63 Motorsports on a dual catch can system that aids in preventing this from happening. The parts are in, we will install and report back to the forums here.
I saw your colour scheme and definitely thought about swapping out my colours for yours! I had to restrain myself 😅😅
Guys I am working with 63 Motorsports on a dual catch can system that aids in preventing this from happening. The parts are in, we will install and report back to the forums here.
@nyc_amg
Where do the catch cans plumb into to release the pressure?
Are the separators bypassed/removed/replaced?
Or do the separators still get plugged and the crank pressure releases through the Catch Cans instead of the Rear Main Seal?
We appreciate the interest in our M177 LS2 PCV unfortunately the bad is this is only available for LS2. Still plenty of newer engines with the same problem even on newer updated Air Oil Separators
shows its design functions and features and linked https://www.63motorsports.com/m156-shop/amg-camshaft-adjusters/p/m177-dccks is the description.
Please pardon the look of the site as we have no marketing degrees nor graphics artist and design having with the fancy white product background that other companies have 🥲.
From IG: "the system is routed before the Air Oil Separators oil return path" makes me think it's after the stock separators
From website link "Plumbed pre-Air Oil Separator (AOS)" states it is before the stock separators
From IG: "the system is routed before the Air Oil Separators oil return path" makes me think it's after the stock separators
From website link "Plumbed pre-Air Oil Separator (AOS)" states it is before the stock separators
Please clarify!
Thank you this is very exciting.
Both are correct quotes. The reason why this system is so confusing is because there are a collective of 5 entry/exit points in the AOS. But yes it is pre-air-oil-separator AND before the oil return path!
Last edited by 63motorsports; Apr 11, 2024 at 01:37 PM.
Is it a big job like replacing the separators? Or can it be done engine/transmission in on the S212?
Last question - I don't know the difference between LS2 etc. engine versions. Can the 2023 E63 run these cans?
It should be done by a licensed shop. Some mechanically inclined hobbysits shouldn’t have issues installing the kit. It is performed with the engine in, as is. Some wiring needs to be moved from the exu in bank 1, as well as moving, coolant reservoir tank in bank 2. There is an install manual available online under FAQ labelled M177 Dual PCV. Also do you mean S213?
LS1:
and this is the LS2:
You have the exact same car as graphitegreyamg, therefore direct fit
Last edited by 63motorsports; Apr 11, 2024 at 05:13 PM.
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