Quackledork

The E63 wagon has been removed from the MBUSA website.

https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/class/e-class/wagon

However, the sedan remains: https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/build/e-class/sedan

b0rderman

That's got to be worth an additional $10k over sticker, no?

saltydog66

If it's one issue or another as to why the V8 isn't in production for 2022, , makes no sense why they jettisoned the wagon and kept the sedan.

atl 2 chi

E class All Terrain??? Interesting!

ocdbroker

I suspect they're simply replacing with hybrid AMG wagon, perhaps even for 2022 model year.

HBerman

Just for fun, I just spec'd this wagon all the options available including 20" wheels and got a build price of $90,405. Compared to my current 2021 E63S wagon, what was missing was: Carbon Fiber Interior and Exterior Trim, AMG drive programs, CCB's, and, of course, the AMG V8 Engine. Price difference is $55,595. Specifying Graphite Grey made the plastic side trim blend in properly. Tempting.

Carac

Shhhh, don't remind me that 99% of the time I'd be just as happy in a E450 Wagon with enough left over money for a decent chunk of a Lotus Emira.

Igooz

You will be disappointed before you hit 10mph.

HBerman

Please explain.

Igooz

The initial throttle response and the the difference in the low end torque is extremely noticeable as compared to the E63. If your desire is the E63 performance the 450 will not satisfy.

js_cls

The E63 Sedan is also gone from the website.

W205C43PFL

Out of curiosity, just checked MBCA still has the E63s for both body styles and would probably follow MBUSA soon.

Alan Smithee

Have you driven the All-Terrain? IMO, with the new mild hybrid battery launching and torque filling, initial throttle response is actually smoother and more responsive than the E63 when driving normally…it’s one of the nicest things about it…feels like the more modern and sophisticated drivetrain that it is. With a 0-60 of 4.4 (Car and Driver), it is very satisfying to drive.

Of course the A-T has none of the E63’s ultimate performance, drama, or cool factor.

HBerman

Yes, I have driven the All-Terrain and, at low speeds, it is more refined than either my 2018 E63S or my 2021 E63S!. In fact, the only time that I would think that I would feel the difference is at 70+ mph and more accelerating. The difference in the suspension settings, of course, would be noticed, but I don't usually drive around with Sport suspension setting in my current ride. YMMV

Igooz

I am not here to be negative about this car, but I will try and answer your question in an honest way.

After my E63 wagon arrived in ~June we tried to get a second one for my wife and get her out of a '20 Cayenne GTS because the MB wagon offers: performance, lower ride height which helps her haul her parents/wheel chairs/etc., and of course a real flat back seat for bicycle races, etc. Local dealer who could not get me my wagon, offered a short test ride in a E450. Long story short, yes, I drove it, and she drove it and the test drive left us unimpressed. Mind you the car was not for me, so I kept my subjective styling biases to myself.

What you liked regarding the mild hybrid being well integrated with the ICE can be felt at part throttle light load and you can feel the switching. Modern and sophisticated to you, feels like a small engine working hard with the batteries which is fine, but you can feel that.

Please don't make the mistake of quoting zero to 60 times. How power is delivered and felt in the driver's seat is not measured by those numbers. This is why I don't own a Plaid. I will give you a real life example from my "customer" my wife. She has had 4 Cayennes, all new, but we won't talk about the first one that was a lemon! Her 2010 Cayenne GTS 957.2 (V8) to her 2017 Cayenne GTS958.2 (V6TT) to 2020 Cayenne GTS 9Y0 (V8TT) all had reasonably impressive zero to 60, "somewhat" similar power/torque levels, but absolutely different feel from the driver's seat. The first being high on low end torque due to a high displacement NA V8 engine, second an absolute disaster with a small displacement V6 engine and two hard working turbos, and finally the last where you had both the V8, the displacement, and the turbos...

That's about it. She now drives an E63 wagon and I don't since we could not get another one.

If you have an E450, congratulations, no disrespect. Enough on this topic for me, normally I keep my negative comments to myself!

Alan Smithee

I do not have an A-T, but my E63 order changed into one, and after time behind the wheel think it is better than any performance SUV (or Volvo/Audi wagon) alternative for our 'active' lifestyle.

Looking at the torque curves of the respective MB wagons, they are basically identical to 1,500 RPM, where they are both at ~370. The A-T plateaus there, while the E63 continues to build to 2,500 if your foot is in it. IMO (and everbody's that I've read), any perceptible ignition/shutoff starting up/slowing down with the mild hybrid is much less obtrusive than the stop/start of the V8. So I guess we will agree to disagree.

Of course 0-60 times are relatively meaningless, but anything in the mid-4s is a quick vehicle. That 0-60 and 5-60 are closer in the A-T than the E63 also indicates less turbo lag with the mild hybrid.

Don't get me wrong...if I get the A-T, I will trade it for a 2023 E63 wagon immediately if/when they become available. But not because I think the E63 is a better daily driver in any way.

So what did you end up with?

Igooz

I did not get a direct replacement. Best of luck with the hunt and I hope that you get what you like.

subiefiles

iTrader: (1)

S63 and C63 are still there... but no E63 models. bummer

ocdbroker

^^^I've been waiting for S-class AMG. Don't see any S63...

S63AMG888

iTrader: (3)

No E63s wagons or sedans now.

CaliAgents1688

Can anyone confirm if the E63S sedan & estate are dead for the W213 platform? Wondering if MBZ will begin taking orders next year for 2023 models. The current markups/asking prices for used 2018-2021 examples are tough to swallow.

bobblehead

Technically, MY 2023 would likely be the last yr of w213 platform. Nobody knows if there will be the next generation e63 down the road, so if you really want one and you can wait, throw down a deposit for MY2023 and hope for the best.

CaliAgents1688

Thanks for the info pardner. Time to push more keys.