vancouverdoc

Hello, I was wondering if anyone here knows what or how to find out what the total yearly production numbers are for the E63s AMG wagon, and especially for the 2021 model year?

Thanks!

tvitarel

I asked my dealer if he could find out but he said its not available. He did mention that the vin number lets you know what number your car is. My 2021 wagon ends in 000330. I guess mine is number 330. Mine was build at the end of June so I don't think there are too many after mine.

vancouverdoc

Thanks for the useful info, mine ends in 285 and from what my salesman told me, was mostly built by the summer of 2021 but didn’t get shipped for a long time as the car was waiting for some final computer chip or other item to complete the build. I just got mine last week so it took a long time from when the car was produced to actually arriving at the dealer. It was totally worth the wait though!

akation6767

I’ve been curious on production numbers too. My VIN ends in MB002828. Picked it up in November. Does that mean at least 2,828 of them?

silver63

Mine ends in 4865 picked up at the beginning of Dec.

signes

Would be surprised if VINs were sequential (likely not) and also will include other 213 wagons produced over the course of a production run / model year.

bobblehead

Yup. I highly doubt the numbering is specific to e63 wagon.


my 18 wagon has vin 326504. So, what does this mean ?

imack

https://www.audatex.ca/audavin_value...%20the%20story.

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The last six digits of a VIN reveal the vehicle’s regular production options (RPO) and is also commonly referred to as its serial number. While many car enthusiasts note that these last six digits represent the sequential production number (which is true), there’s more to the story. What many are not aware of is that this number also identifies the factory options fitted onto the vehicle during production.
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Ivan MacKenzie.

21e63swagon

The last six has nothing to do with production numbers, it's sequence and options.

What I'm seeing numbers wise is between 150-250 MY21 E63 wagons made.

Eventually someone will be able to scrub the MB data base and get exact numbers like the 2020 and under numbers.

Drone_S213

At the time of my May 2021 delivery at Mercedes Benz of Atlanta Northeast, only 12 E63s Wagons were Registered by Owners in the US, and had the only one in NM according to my salesman in a followup conversation in June. Not sure how many of the special orders remained unsold at dealerships or how many were later produced and shipped to the States...

HBerman

My registration in NC was the beginning of February. There were 3 of this forum's members including myself that were receiving their wagons in either Jan or Feb. My information from my dealer was that there were 342 allocations for the US including the spec cars that were going to select dealers. I've yet to see another E63S wagon in the Raleigh area save for the one that was ordered after my delivery and was eventually transported to CT.

vancouverdoc

Thanks, that’s interesting, I wonder how many wagons were made for Canada, perhaps one tenth the number for the U.S.?

igxqrrl

My 2020 wagon ends in 757966. That would be a lot of wagons!

Dshed

Just took delivery of mine today…built in September along with one other that was shipped to Illinois (I’m in California). My vin is not sequential with the vins mentioned above.

cyclrder

I sure wish we could get accurate numbers... I suspect that the S213 E63 Wagon was produced in less numbers than Porsche makes GTRS's! (and you know the Porsche boys are all about low production numbers!).

I'm under the impression that they make about 250 of them a year globally... but I could be completely out to lunch on that number.

RevisionCuda

VIN do not mean anything in terms of production numbers.

HBerman

Best info that i have is less than 350 for NA. US was probably 230 - 250. If I were looking to buy one I would look for units produced before year-end 2020. After that, parts were becoming scarce and options became unorderable. I am the only 2021 E63S wagon registered in the RTP area AFAIK.

SerottaD

@imack

This thread has been dormant for a bit, but I'm in the process of buying an E63 S and have been learning a lot about them as part of a hopefully informed search. The serial numbers certainly have to start over, but I'm not sure what portion of the VIN controls the reset of the serial number (VIN 12-17 positions for post 1983 cars). For data integrity, I'd think the SN reset almost certainly has to be something in the VIN.

I suspect the SN reset be based on the position #4 character (the model/series). Position #5 is where you can find the "H" wagon designation, but this doesn't seem to reset the SN counter. I noticed for W213, the MY2019 E63S wagon SNs appear to continue on from where the MY2018 SNs stopped.

So there just aren't a lot of reasonable choices for what governs SN reset:
-- Positions 1-3 ... World Manufacturer Identifier --> Can't prove it, but this doesn't seem like a possibility since any WMI surely sells more than 999,999 vehicles
-- Position 4 ... model/series --> my guess
-- Position 5 ... body style --> doesn't seem so, but hard to prove. Seems unreasonable for Mercedes to assign SNs randomly. There does seem to be a time sequential element to it.
-- Position 6-7 ... submodel --> maybe included with Position 4
-- Position 8 ... restraint system --> seems too unimportant
-- Position 9 ... check digit --> unlikely
-- Position 10 ... model year --> not according to my VIN scraping analysis
-- Position 11 ... production location --> hard to tell as I don't have experience with high volume models that necessarily would be made in more than one location. For example, all the E63S cars I've seen have an "A" in this location.

If you've ever gone to a VIN decoder and invented a VIN... such as adding 1 to a SN, it comes back "not found." I suspect that is because one or more characters up front don't match the SN. I'm thinking just one additional character with the SN is enough to meet Mercedes' potential sales volumes. The largest car mfr in the world makes something in the mid-teens millions of cars a year. Mercedes consumer is certainly well below that.

I'm going to continue collecting examples of E63s VINs (prioritizing 2018-2020, then 2021-2023), Maybe more examples will suggest better guidance. I've been using Excel, but it's rubbish for this kind of work so will transfer over to a real data base to better maintain work flow and data integrity.l

P.S. There were a few posts that quoted E63S volumes, not no sourcing was provided so tough to lock it down.

LMinn

It comes back non-found because the VIN check digit calculates every position, so even changing a # in the SN part in the last six positions will break the check digit. Production numbers don't really tie at all to VIN's. SN portion may increase for a specific block of production but that's about it.

The WMI changes once in a while on its own, even region for vehicle, it even changes depending on class of vehicle. See the NICB Passenger Vehicle Identification Manual for a close to up-to-date database of how the VIN breaks down per manufacturer per class of vehicle (and by class of vehicle I mean passenger cars vs motorcycles vs specialized vehicles etc, not body style.) Usually the model part (4 digits starting at pos #4) usually lasts 2, 3, 4 years depending on manufacturer.)

You're definitely right about the model section (4 digits, the last two numbers change on class/chassis config).

Also many E63s also use 'B' for manufacturing location/plant. Like mine (2023 'P'). Depends how the manufacturer works internally. (These are vaguely listed in the NICB manual too.)

In summary, I'm 90% sure you can't calculate production #'s by VIN analysis alone.

If I'm wrong (which I don't think I am in this case, but who knows) I'll not only eat my words, but I'll thank you for doing the work.

HBerman

You are correct! Besides, what is the value of the sequence numbers for production. Personally, given what was happening in 2021, the earlier production was better than the end of the 2021 production due to parts shortages and substitutions, most notably the communications module. 2023 production was strange too as first there were only going to be a limited number of E63S units and then 999 FE's. Then magically more units showed up with who knows what content. Sigh!

SerottaD

@LMinn
Of course! The check digit. How silly of me. Thanks for the reminder. Let me see if I can figure out the check digit scheme (revised... DONE!). The info I have on WMI seems to indicate it's more of interest from a corporate hierarchy perspective and relates to model year only in that corporate structure changes with time (as does model). I put the summary I have on WMI scraped from a couple sites at the end.

• FWIW, at least 2018-2019 E63S wagons (W213) in the U.S. seem to have this VIN mask WDDZH8KBxxAxxxxxx, all WDD, all A mfg location. (I saw a Germany 2018 E63S that only matched on WDDxxxxxxxAxxxxxx, also WDD and A; the VIN resolved in a decoder so it's a real number)
• All I have ito decode location (Position 11) for A and B is "A-D: Sindelfingen, Germany", so perhaps there are several factories in that one location, which is why you've seen "B" for some E63S wagons. Please confirm that's what you meant. Should be one of the easier things to research.

My analysis of VIN characters was only to conjecture what production-data characters drive an SN reset. With a worldwide manufacturing base, they might reserve blocks--upon product release to manufacturing--for each site so they can run completely independently, only sharing as built data offline on the backend. So no assumption of contiguous numbers can be made. For sure the check digit is calculated last and inserted in Position 9.

I ordered the 2022 NICB manual just to see what might be in there for Mercedes. It was only $10, so I didn't bother hunting around for a free version someone may have posted.

I agree with you 100% on "you can't calculate production #'s by VIN analysis alone." Actually, I agree with everything you wrote. (Trying to avoid posts that sow conflict vs. improved understanding.) I'm going to start collecting even more E63S VINs and see what they point to...

P.S. I didn't understand "Also many E63s also use 'B' for manufacturing location/plant. Like mine (2023 'P')"
P.P.S. I sent you a "friend" request thinking it might allow DM.
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Positions 1–3, World Manufacturer Identifier:

• WDB Daimler-Benz AG (DaimlerChrysler after 1998) (Daimler AG after 2007) (Mercedes-Benz or Maybach passenger car)
• WDC DaimlerChrysler AG (Daimler AG after 2007) (Mercedes-Benz SUV)
• WDD DaimlerChrysler AG (Daimler AG after 2007) (Mercedes-Benz passenger car)
• WDF Mercedes-Benz Commercial
• W1K Daimler AG (Mercedes-Benz Group AG from 2022) (Mercedes-Benz passenger car)​, Mercedes-Benz in the United States
• W1N Daimler AG (Mercedes-Benz Group AG from 2022) (Mercedes-Benz SUV)
• 4JG Mercedes-Benz U.S. International (Mercedes-Benz SUV)
• 55S Mercedes-Benz U.S. International (Mercedes-Benz passenger car)

The first three characters of the VIN tell you where in the world the vehicle originated, and who made it.

• Although Mercedes-Benz has plants in 22 countries, the letter “W” here indicates an origin in Germany. The brand still manufactures many vehicles at its original home in Stuttgart.
• The “D” in position 2 stands for “Daimler,” the company that owns Mercedes-Benz.
• A final code of “B” indicates that the vehicle belongs to the brand’s central division “Daimler-Benz”. For a brief period after 1999, vehicles with the same origin were designed with a “C” for “Daimler-Chrysler”. After that merger dissolved, a final code of “D” became more common. A final code of “F” indicates that the brand’s commercial division was responsible for the vehicle.

LMinn

I knew that would be misleading! Haha. Yes, Sindelfingen has multiple plants. By 'P' I meant the year portion of the VIN, P being 2023. The 'B' I was referring to of course the "assembly plant" portion. I am sorry about that, as I suspected I should've re-worded it.

I don't know if there is rhyme or reason as to how or when they reserve blocks, but let us know if you figure it out.


@HBerman I think the same thing! 2023 production was weird. My sedan was in the 133000 block S/N which I imagine is the earlier block. I thought the 2023 season was very odd too. Especially the first portion, I had originally custom ordered one but within a couple weeks Germany contacted my first dealer and i missed the cutoff due to demand and/or shortage.

I still haven't figured out why that is. It seems 2023 E63s is still missing in many random website's "car list" etc. It just seems like it was an afterthought all around, and that they were just assembling what parts they had left or received late when they skipped 2022 (just a theory though.) I'd love to hear more about why it is the way it is if anyone knows (or even wants to share theories.)