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Old 08-27-2023, 05:32 PM
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Amazing that even in the UK the FE did not come with the MULTIBEAM lights! What was the rationale behind that? 🤔
Well unfortunately UK usually gets poor treatment in general there are many options that aren't available at all in UK, not just on the final edition. MBUK is just like that.
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USA FE sedans don’t come with multibeam headlights or HUD either.
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I am a big fan of Graphite, in both versions.

M5 CS is a significantly better driver's car versus E63S. Not even close. I am still amazed by that M5. Imagine if BMW made a wagon version with comfortable M5 seats? Sign me up (even at $177k).

I was a diehard BMW fan for like 40 years. Now I'm kind of embarrassed by the brand. M5 CS was an anomaly. Quite fascinating what they're capable of though.

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RBR is insane. He actually bought the upgraded headlights (weren't available due to supply constraints) and had them installed on his FE wagon. Major job. Only wish he'd figure out a way to center the front camera. Lol

RBR bullish on W213 E63S, especially pre-refresh.


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Originally Posted by Optics76
Just chiming in to say that whoever ordered that olive metallic wagon has excellent taste.

If by weird chance they end up seeing this thread someday, pics please!
Lovely shade of green but perhaps not best suited on a big old modern wagon IMHO. You must see this color in direct sunlight. But kudos for being different. Same color here on a 2020 for sale right now.

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Old 08-29-2023, 11:24 AM
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OMG
Tremendous spec.
If I had more common sense, I'd make an offer to buy this one and be done. Hopefully someone around here can negotiate a purchase before it's gone.
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Lovely shade of green but perhaps not best suited on a big old modern wagon IMHO. You must see this color in direct sunlight. But kudos for being different. Same color here on a 2020 for sale right now.
Apparently whoever bought this is picking it up today! I was on some long list if the deal broke down. The person just traded this spec in for the 2023 in the same color🤑!
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Old 08-29-2023, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
OMG
Tremendous spec.
If I had more common sense, I'd make an offer to buy this one and be done. Hopefully someone around here can negotiate a purchase before it's gone.
https://www.audinaples.com/used/Merc...rader_listings
That's like 20 miles from me. Not that I'm in the market, just sayin'.


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Calling MBUSA customer service to complain about my buying experience. Keep getting hang up on me after going through phone labyrinth and before a human answers. Does Mercedes have any regard for customer service? Have a feeling they don't but will let you know how it goes.

BTW, I'm not at all complaining about the delays. I am complaining about total lack of communication and customer care.
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
Calling MBUSA customer service to complain about my buying experience. Keep getting hang up on me after going through phone labyrinth and before a human answers. Does Mercedes have any regard for customer service? Have a feeling they don't but will let you know how it goes.

BTW, I'm not at all complaining about the delays. I am complaining about total lack of communication and customer care.
I doubt that customer service will have any information about the VPC status of your wagon. There must be something significantly wrong with the build that is causing the delay in shipping. Sorry that this is happening to you. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a communication path from the dealership to the VPC. I've asked my salesperson if this lack of communication is "normal" and he told me that it was. Really sucks.

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^^^98% certain this is exactly the case, Harris. But I'm at the end of my rope and this is just my last ditch effort. Mercedes truly doesn't deserve my business.

What's making this a little more frustrating is my wife's E350 wagon has a dreaded suspension fault and is out of commission. Dealer can't get me in for service until end of Sept and I've been forced to rent a car.
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Originally Posted by HBerman
I doubt that customer service will have any information about the VPC status of your wagon. There must be something significantly wrong with the build that is causing the delay in shipping. Sorry that this is happening to you. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a communication path from the dealership to the VPC. I've asked my salesperson if this lack of communication is "normal" and he told me that it was. Really sucks.
When I still had an order in place at one point fighting for information I said to my salesman "When are we going to Germany? And what is the traditional gift we are to bring? Please advise."

They really went off the rails this past year. I wonder what happened? Are other brands like this now? I haven't bought a car anywhere else lately. This last experience has been mind boggling.

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When I still had an order in place at one point fighting for information I said to my salesman "When are we going to Germany? And what is the traditional gift we are to bring? Please advise."

They really went off the rails this past year. I wonder what happened? Are other brands like this now? I haven't bought a car anywhere else lately. This last experience has been mind boggling.
BMW is getting new cars into hands of owners who ordered them. Same with Porsche but a bit slower than BMW. MB can’t navigate their way out of a paper bag in the past 3 years.
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
^^^98% certain this is exactly the case, Harris. But I'm at the end of my rope and this is just my last ditch effort. Mercedes truly doesn't deserve my business.

What's making this a little more frustrating is my wife's E350 wagon has a dreaded suspension fault and is out of commission. Dealer can't get me in for service until end of Sept and I've been forced to rent a car.
@ocdbroker would you buy @HBerman's 2021 AMG Wagon? Not sure about the logistics...

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^^^Thank you very much for thinking about me. Will definitely consider when the time comes if I still don't have a car at that point. In lieu of another new AMG, I started entertaining the thought of picking up a clean, low-mileage 2020 E450 for $50k and keeping $100k in short term treasuries earning over 5%. Negotiating with a dealer right now but they're asking too much.
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@ocdbroker would you buy @HBerman's 2021 AMG Wagon? Not sure about the logistics...

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Do you still want the wheels?
if you sell before your lease termination that is OK. I won't have the Cash until 2024. New $8K AC/Heater Roof combo unit erased savings last month along with the usual GT Tuition expense...paid cash to avoid Financing. Ex lives 10-minutes away from UNC Caudill Labs.
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if you sell before your lease termination that is OK. I won't have the Cash until 2024. New $8K AC/Heater Roof combo unit erased savings last month along with the usual GT Tuition expense...paid cash to avoid Financing. Ex lives 10-minutes away from UNC Caudill Labs.
OK. I'll keep them in my garage for you until then.

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High bidder now is a broker. Crazy world. I'll be mystified if this bids past $165k and sells.
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Originally Posted by ocdbroker
Let's play a fun game. Give me your prediction on highest bid and whether or not reserve is met.

I'll be exceedingly generous and say $165k high bid, reserve not met.

Closest without going over is the big winner (of what I don't know).
Insanity. Reserve not met as expected. However, high bid was $159k plus $5k BaT fee means another broker bid $164k nearly guaranteeing a loss on resale. Crazy world.

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When speculation goes wrong. Yikes.
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Carfax indicates one personal owner bought it from Florida. My guess is they got it at sticker (or less), noticed some of the big asking prices over MSRP...as seen in this thread, up to $100k...and consigned it with the selling NJ dealer on BaT to see if they could make a quick buck. But it was not to be, so maybe they keep it and enjoy it.

But now there is an ugly comp out there for the 44 (per MBUSA.com) new cars on dealer lots. Starve the market then saturate it, while leaving loyal customers without allocations. What a collosal f-up by MB.
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Carfax indicates one personal owner bought it from Florida. My guess is they got it at sticker (or less), noticed some of the big asking prices over MSRP...as seen in this thread, up to $100k...and consigned it with the selling NJ dealer on BaT to see if they could make a quick buck. But it was not to be, so maybe they keep it and enjoy it.

But now there is an ugly comp out there for the 44 (per MBUSA.com) new cars on dealer lots. Starve the market then saturate it, while leaving loyal customers without allocations. What a collosal f-up by MB.
Amen. If they had made fewer of them, loaded those cars up with CCBs, HUDs, multibeam, contour sets etc and painted them any other color I would've bought one gladly. I looked for a non-FE car at every dealer in the country, struck out and started to consider the FE as a last act of desperation. There were many to be had at MSRP but I just couldn't pay that much of a premium for a car that has no premium in it.
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