When W214 AMG?
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'19 E63S, ‘16 CLS63 RIP, '09 E63 Gone, '06 M5 Gone, '97 Supra TT Gone
So now the rumor is that due to lack of sales of the four banger C63S E PERFORMANCEUBERSEDAN, the CLE will be getting the M177. If that's the case, we might actually have a hope of a V8 E63.
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If they simply stuffed a hybrid V8 into the W214 E63S without doing any testing, I am sure there would be all sort of issues for the first production year.
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I don't know how long it takes to turn a ship the size of Mercedes around, but they're headed for an EV/Eco iceberg that's going to sink them. I just went looking for a new fun car and ended up buying a Blackwing Cadillac. It never crossed my mind even for a second to look at anything new Mercedes had to offer. That's how far off the rails they've gone.
Not to go too far off topic but if you're listening Mercedes, you guys need to go buy a manual CT5-V Blackwing and drive it. THAT'S the kind of thing AMG needs to be producing. Holy moly.
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I get the political reasons/necessity for producing a hybrid but as an enthusiast the last thing on God's green earth I want in a fast car is another 500 pounds of complexity, expense and batteries added into an already overly-complicated system for the sake of fuel economy. Hopefully MB is reading some of these comments. In case they are; If I want a hybrid, 4 banger or an EV, I'm shopping an entirely different car. If I'm shopping E63 and S class I'm looking at non-hybrid V8s and V12s. As for EVs, at my local MB dealer they have $25,000 off most of their EVs right now. Clearly nobody wants them (I don't and I don't know anyone who does). Conversely, whenever I roll in in a V8 or V12 Merc, they aggressively offer to buy it - presumably because they're desperate for inventory somebody might actually be interested in.
I don't know how long it takes to turn a ship the size of Mercedes around, but they're headed for an EV/Eco iceberg that's going to sink them. I just went looking for a new fun car and ended up buying a Blackwing Cadillac. It never crossed my mind even for a second to look at anything new Mercedes had to offer. That's how far off the rails they've gone.
Not to go too far off topic but if you're listening Mercedes, you guys need to go buy a manual CT5-V Blackwing and drive it. THAT'S the kind of thing AMG needs to be producing. Holy moly.
I don't know how long it takes to turn a ship the size of Mercedes around, but they're headed for an EV/Eco iceberg that's going to sink them. I just went looking for a new fun car and ended up buying a Blackwing Cadillac. It never crossed my mind even for a second to look at anything new Mercedes had to offer. That's how far off the rails they've gone.
Not to go too far off topic but if you're listening Mercedes, you guys need to go buy a manual CT5-V Blackwing and drive it. THAT'S the kind of thing AMG needs to be producing. Holy moly.
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The biggest thing the Blackwing has over the E63 is that thanks to the manual transmission, the Blackwing is engaging in a way the other cars aren't. It's simple and brilliant and well executed.
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W213 2019 E63S, 2013 Ferrari 458 Spider, 2016 Corvette Z06, Others
We have a 2023 E63 Wagon and a Renntech 2012 E63 Wagon. They're both awesome but the Blackwing is AMAZING. The manual in it is as good as it gets, the rev matching is like science fiction, it feels about a thousand pounds lighter than it actually is, the mag ride suspension is magical, there are physical buttons exactly where they should be and that LT4 absolutely rips. I've tried but its nearly impossible to find anything to be critical of. Maybe the 12v outlet placement? But seriously, that's it. The 5V Blackwing is perfection. Mercedes needs to drop one off at AMG and say "mach das".
The biggest thing the Blackwing has over the E63 is that thanks to the manual transmission, the Blackwing is engaging in a way the other cars aren't. It's simple and brilliant and well executed.
The biggest thing the Blackwing has over the E63 is that thanks to the manual transmission, the Blackwing is engaging in a way the other cars aren't. It's simple and brilliant and well executed.
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Couldn't agree more! The LT4 in the Blackwing is an absolute gem, and the combination of that potent engine with the slick manual transmission makes for an incredibly engaging driving experience. GM's engineers deserve major kudos for the chassis tuning and overall dynamics of the Blackwing, especially considering its heft. While the E63 has an edge in straight-line acceleration, the Blackwing's balance and poise through the turns is simply sublime. These are indeed glorious times for enthusiasts with such brilliant performance machines on offer from both brands.
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I’m hoping with the announcement of the new BMW M5, we will finally start to hear something more about the 2025 E63.
I’ve been finding myself looking at Porsche’s website more and more but I really would rather have a new E63.
Anyone heard anything recently?
I’ve been finding myself looking at Porsche’s website more and more but I really would rather have a new E63.
Anyone heard anything recently?
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The bad news is the 63 might be delayed until the facelift of M5 (or so I heard), they want to use the E 53 to cover the E 63 market until they come up with something better. As you can tell, the W214 E 53 has W213 E 63 ish-power. Even the exterior designs have lots of 63 elements. There were rumours there are no more E 63 but I don't believe that.
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The bad news is the 63 might be delayed until the facelift of M5 (or so I heard), they want to use the E 53 to cover the E 63 market until they come up with something better. As you can tell, the W214 E 53 has W213 E 63 ish-power. Even the exterior designs have lots of 63 elements. There were rumours there are no more E 63 but I don't believe that.
Segment is covered by the GT63 4door coupe
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So you think they want to upsell E 63 customers to GT 63 four door?
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I suspect MB Germany wants to see the sales # on the E53 (probably for min. 2 yrs) first before putting the nails to the E63 coffin. If the former disappoints big time, then MB Germany could reconsider.
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Well that’s pretty disappointing! Hopefully Mercedes comes out with some definitive statement so we’re not stuck in ambiguity.
For others who were waiting for the new e63, what make/models are you looking at now?
For others who were waiting for the new e63, what make/models are you looking at now?
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I’m quite happy with my 2021. Recently though, I’ve been tempted by the Z06. While I don’t love the way it looks, I love the unique engine with its high revving character, the unique sound as well as the mid engine layout. It’s exotic, yet familiar at the same time. The main things stopping me are: the way it looks; it’ll be without a doubt a much worse DD which for me is the role my wagon plays; and it’s genuinely hard to give up the big E because there’s absolutely nothing it doesn’t do well. Yes, it might give you 5-10 per cent less at the highest limit (only on the track) compared to a corvette, but it gives you 200 per cent more at everything else. It’s a tough car to give up.
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I’m quite happy with my 2021. Recently though, I’ve been tempted by the Z06. While I don’t love the way it looks, I love the unique engine with its high revving character, the unique sound as well as the mid engine layout. It’s exotic, yet familiar at the same time. The main things stopping me are: the way it looks; it’ll be without a doubt a much worse DD which for me is the role my wagon plays; and it’s genuinely hard to give up the big E because there’s absolutely nothing it doesn’t do well. Yes, it might give you 5-10 per cent less at the highest limit (only on the track) compared to a corvette, but it gives you 200 per cent more at everything else. It’s a tough car to give up.
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I’m quite happy with my 2021. Recently though, I’ve been tempted by the Z06. While I don’t love the way it looks, I love the unique engine with its high revving character, the unique sound as well as the mid engine layout. It’s exotic, yet familiar at the same time. The main things stopping me are: the way it looks; it’ll be without a doubt a much worse DD which for me is the role my wagon plays; and it’s genuinely hard to give up the big E because there’s absolutely nothing it doesn’t do well. Yes, it might give you 5-10 per cent less at the highest limit (only on the track) compared to a corvette, but it gives you 200 per cent more at everything else. It’s a tough car to give up.
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2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ecu tune; edok tcu tune; BB intakes; dyno tuned
Have we come to an end of producing prodigious power from ICE balanced against rising curb weights and efficiency requirements? M5, E53, next E63, c63 hybrid ...
adding the heavy battery adds weight but lowers the center of gravity possibly
how relavent is the extra weight really for
- daily driver with occasional spirited driver ?
- garage kept but used at the track mostly ?
- 50/50 dd and track duty ?
brakes are awesome, suspensions are awesome, center of gravity is low ... teach me
adding the heavy battery adds weight but lowers the center of gravity possibly
how relavent is the extra weight really for
- daily driver with occasional spirited driver ?
- garage kept but used at the track mostly ?
- 50/50 dd and track duty ?
brakes are awesome, suspensions are awesome, center of gravity is low ... teach me
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Oof, saw this article shared by another forum member here in E 350 vs E 450 thread and it says E 63 won't get V8? https://www.motor1.com/news/729311/m...-cylinder-amg/
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guess no one has been watching the olympics?
The lack comfort for the sake of being "green" should tell you all you need to know about the EU's thought on V8's and high powered V8.
The lack comfort for the sake of being "green" should tell you all you need to know about the EU's thought on V8's and high powered V8.