The V8 is making a comeback (confirmed)
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The V8 is making a comeback (confirmed)
I think this post deserved its own thread.
A few sites are now reporting that because of the lacklustre sales of both the four pot C63 and GLC 63, MB is bringing back the V8 for definitely the CLE 63 AMG and from here we can probably extrapolate that the E63s will get another V8. The question will be whether it gets V8 and the hybrid system as found in the E-Performance line or ‘just’ the V8 as is the case with this CLE 63.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mercedes-amg-cle-63-switches-four-pot-phev-585bhp-v8
A few sites are now reporting that because of the lacklustre sales of both the four pot C63 and GLC 63, MB is bringing back the V8 for definitely the CLE 63 AMG and from here we can probably extrapolate that the E63s will get another V8. The question will be whether it gets V8 and the hybrid system as found in the E-Performance line or ‘just’ the V8 as is the case with this CLE 63.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mercedes-amg-cle-63-switches-four-pot-phev-585bhp-v8
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I think this post deserved its own thread.
A few sites are now reporting that because of the lacklustre sales of both the four pot C63 and GLC 63, MB is bringing back the V8 for definitely the CLE 63 AMG and from here we can probably extrapolate that the E63s will get another V8. The question will be whether it gets V8 and the hybrid system as found in the E-Performance line or ‘just’ the V8 as is the case with this CLE 63.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...phev-585bhp-v8
A few sites are now reporting that because of the lacklustre sales of both the four pot C63 and GLC 63, MB is bringing back the V8 for definitely the CLE 63 AMG and from here we can probably extrapolate that the E63s will get another V8. The question will be whether it gets V8 and the hybrid system as found in the E-Performance line or ‘just’ the V8 as is the case with this CLE 63.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...phev-585bhp-v8
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Some of the articles have quoted Markus Shafer that same exact point that sales will determine it. If that is true, which it has to be, we’ll be seeing it again.
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I find the moves by so many automakers hilarious...asking premium buyers to abandon what THEY want for what automakers WANT to build hasn't worked so well. Probably the most delerious is Stellantis...eliminating V8's from the most V8 hungry and proud brand there is will have certain consequences. Replacing a hellcat with an EV... Oh boy. I can already see the hedge fund buying it from Stellantis as a dead brand...
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Another article confirming the very likely return of then V8
this article suggests it could be 2027 before we see the V8, but it’s coming. Apparently Mercedes is offering 18 per cent discounts on the four banger C63s.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...-engine-plans/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...-engine-plans/
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The V8 formula I'd love to see is normally aspirated, high compression, cylinder deactivation. Energy recovery to a high capacity capacitor. Don't get flashy with how much the capacitor can add power, just make it big enough to run accessories. Perhaps running accessories that are electric as per M256 as long as it doesn't add weight.
Basically give it the soul of a V8 but add efficiency with virtually no extra weight. I don't care if it's only 550 HP, give it the pure character that a master engine builder can offer. Nine speed transmissions can easily put that formula into optimum efficiency or power.
If you need to make crazy power please quit with the weezy turbos and properly supercharge.
Basically give it the soul of a V8 but add efficiency with virtually no extra weight. I don't care if it's only 550 HP, give it the pure character that a master engine builder can offer. Nine speed transmissions can easily put that formula into optimum efficiency or power.
If you need to make crazy power please quit with the weezy turbos and properly supercharge.
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Agree that the sedan versions look like jellybeans, but the SUVs have a different profile. The new 2024 E450 looks odd IMO, but MB is probably not looking to sell many of those. The EQEX4 does not have a tall profile (only 5.5" higher than my previous E63S wagon). Great rear seat legroom, but I do miss the multi-contour seats.
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Agree that the sedan versions look like jellybeans, but the SUVs have a different profile. The new 2024 E450 looks odd IMO, but MB is probably not looking to sell many of those. The EQEX4 does not have a tall profile (only 5.5" higher than my previous E63S wagon). Great rear seat legroom, but I do miss the multi-contour seats.
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