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Yup, that's me, lol - I was attacked for making a general comment. No one's fault at all, as we are all here to help one another.
I had an off the record conversation with @Keith66 , and he was a gentleman to help answer questions I had. So thank you for that my friend!
We're a community to help AMG enthusiasts, no matter how big, small, or crazy any situation may be.
Yeah you know you guys maybe right.
Perhaps we need a few brawls to spice things up.
Without any Perma-Banning.
And interesting members are not allowed to get butt hurt, taking their ball and running home.
Ronin and I both attended the same AMG academy event at Laguna Seca. We were in different groups, but had dinner together with our wives after the event. Very interesting guy with lots of great life experiences.
He's also a wonderful photographer and shares some great shots on Instagram.
I've been on w212 amg since I got the car new in 2014, and I've seen waves of traffic and enthusiasts .. ebb and flow. My observations:
- car is a new Benz model - lots of discussion on DOG, specs, watching a ship bring a car to America online (lol) etc etc, lots of "my dealer told me about my order ..."
- now we have the new car and we have niggles and bugs and are sharing good and bad experiences- lots of talk - the car is msrp (or higher) so a certain clientele is leading the discussion
- people that buy and discuss the car when super new often will flip into another marque therefore leave the forum
- car is now on the used market but still pricey and some new discussions on that and how the car is wearing over time
- tuning: tuning discussions have been ongoing and based on the limited options the discussions are hitting their asymptote. People are talking lots on their dragy/timeslips and this leads to classic and hilarious topics and discussions
- the car is deeper in the used market and out of warranty - people ask about "is it safe to buy etc etc" because they're barely getting into a $50k used car at times trying to understand it'll have $130k car issues and it's an amg bomb
- the car is $25k-$45k, much more accessible and now people who legitimately can wrench are buying this and even driving new discussions on the platform never before discussed. A great time for the platform but sad since we definitely know all the Achilles heels and we know the engine's mortality.
lots of turnover, a handful of wallpaper members
the wrench here is Covid and limited inventory, an insane world of adm, and ending the v8 and ending the e63 as we know it. Less people to do all of the above over time. The guy who discusses the $160k car is sometimes different than the guy buying the used $35k car years later. Their driving interests in car enthusiasm is often very different I've noticed.
i created the sticky in w212 amg to consolidate the calm and structured and focused enthusiasm minus the vitriol. Also it helps lurkers limit their questions and it's easy to point to the sticky with less forum rage. I think and have said someone should do a w213 sticky in similar fashion.
$0.02
Last edited by PeterUbers; 07-08-2024 at 02:57 PM.
Also, another possibility for lower volume, the e43 and e53 owners seemed to occasionally garner "get a real amg" comments when they would post about tuning etc. hard to want to come back after that. Likely they get more welcome reception in the w213 forum. I get that diehards didn't like the direction amg/Benz took regarding the amg moniker, it's understandable.
Last edited by PeterUbers; 07-08-2024 at 04:42 PM.
Also, another possibility for lower volume, the e43 and e53 owners seemed to occasionally garner "get a real amg" comments when they would post about tuning etc. hard to want to come back after that. Likely they get more welcome reception in the w213 forum. I get that diehards didn't like the direction amg/Benz took regarding the amg moniker, it's understandable.
I get this but I think the new owners need to understand why there is this newer view of a diluted Amg brand and not get upset but harp on the positives in a jab for jab. Sure, perhaps the 43 or 53 aren’t historically what Amg is about, but they are fast as hell, look great for the most part and nobody had to pay a markup. They can even rag on the spray in cylinder liners or bad oil separators and rms on realer Amg’s.
Generally we just need to have fun
Last edited by Baltistyle; 07-08-2024 at 11:01 PM.
On another more serious note: was shocked to see MB sales this year dropped all the way to the bottom, sadly only few points better than Tesla.
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Plus it’s a dead horse - see the thread about AMG killing the E63, consequently people are moving to a better place?
Lower number of owners translates to less activity on forums.
Sorry if this sounds pessimistic, don’t kill the messenger!
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On another more serious note: was shocked to see MB sales this year dropped all the way to the bottom, sadly only few points better than Tesla.
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Plus it’s a dead horse - see the thread about AMG killing the E63, consequently people are moving to a better place?
Lower number of owners translates to less activity on forums.
Sorry if this sounds pessimistic, don’t kill the messenger!
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This is very telling that brands that are all in on the EV's are hurting the most. When will our govt stop screwing us over
Last edited by zukmeister; 07-09-2024 at 07:38 AM.
This is very telling that brands that are all in on the EV's are hurting the most. When will our govt stop screwing us over
I wonder. Porsche is all in on EV and turned the Macan to EV only (their best selling model no less) and will do the same with the 718. They don't seem to do a 180 like Mercedes is doing after they are struggling to move their EV's. This means they will hang on longer to their 1st gen EV platform and try to extend their ICE platform and rethink their engine choices (all while having ceased ICE R&D a while back).
Combine this with significant weight and price increases. Just feels less compelling, at least in the short term.
I just hope I don’t get censored for liking too many posts that are in danger of being censored.
Am baffled by the attitude and some of the comments in this thread. This is one of the most lightly moderated forums and none of the moderators would care about forum revenues from sponsors. Posts get deleted when people don't stay on topic (this includes politics) and things get too offensive. Plus trying to get rid of the never-ending spam...
As for the W213 AMG forum, I believe that @PeterUbers in post 32 put it best; it's just a part of the model life cycle where things ebb and flow and this feel like the low point.
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Also, another possibility for lower volume, the e43 and e53 owners seemed to occasionally garner "get a real amg" comments when they would post about tuning etc. hard to want to come back after that. Likely they get more welcome reception in the w213 forum. I get that diehards didn't like the direction amg/Benz took regarding the amg moniker, it's understandable.
If that's the problem, I don't know why E 63 shares the same sub-forum as the E 43/E 53. At least at the C-Class side, the C 43 is in separate sub-forums from the C 63/S.
On another more serious note: was shocked to see MB sales this year dropped all the way to the bottom, sadly only few points better than Tesla.
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Was watching carwow drag races and the GT63 sedan and E63's are getting the snot beat out of them by the BMW's and Audi's
Not only have sales fallen, they are now at the bottom of the perf sedan pile for 1/4mi 1/2mi and rolls
It's not even close
PeterUbers hit the nail on the head, bit of an awkward stage right now. The fchat guys have gone back to their home forums, and the DIY RMS guys have not yet arrived...but we are definitely functional...just not about to set any records on our AMG underwear group buys.
I get this but I think the new owners need to understand why there is this newer view of a diluted Amg brand and not get upset but harp on the positives in a jab for jab. Sure, perhaps the 43 or 53 aren’t historically what Amg is about, but they are fast as hell, look great for the most part and nobody had to pay a markup. They can even rag on the spray in cylinder liners or bad oil separators and rms on realer Amg’s.
Generally we just need to have fun
I agree - it's just a car, one man one engine furthered its obsolescence when they stuck //AMG on an EV, and even some one man one engine diehards now swear by their amg EV's. If you're hurt over AMG's evolution then you're right to stop visiting this forum. For those of us that just enjoy car talk and problem solving, this remains a nice space to intellectually interact, myself included.
If that's the problem, I don't know why E 63 shares the same sub-forum as the E 43/E 53. At least at the C-Class side, the C 43 is in separate sub-forums from the C 63/S.
makes sense to me if only to consolidate enthusiasm for the e43 and e53 owners without the occasional tribal negativity by some amg purists.
PFL205.064 with M276.823 (Oil pump solenoid defeated)
Originally Posted by PeterUbers
I agree - it's just a car, one man one engine furthered its obsolescence when they stuck //AMG on an EV, and even some one man one engine diehards now swear by their amg EV's. If you're hurt over AMG's evolution then you're right to stop visiting this forum. For those of us that just enjoy car talk and problem solving, this remains a nice space to intellectually interact, myself included.
Originally Posted by PeterUbers
makes sense to me if only to consolidate enthusiasm for the e43 and e53 owners without the occasional tribal negativity by some amg purists.
It needs to be OMOE and a V8, that's a "real AMG" : )
Anyways, the W206 C 43 has a hand built engine now, but it is a four cylinder.... I rather have a non hand-built six cylinder to be honest.
That said, what I have issues with is MB reusing the C 43 nomenclature in the W205, the W202 C 43 was MB's first V8 AMG was it? That vehicle deserves to be respected.
It needs to be OMOE and a V8, that's a "real AMG" : )
Anyways, the W206 C 43 has a hand built engine now, but it is a four cylinder.... I rather have a non hand-built six cylinder to be honest.
That said, what I have issues with is MB reusing the C 43 nomenclature in the W205, the W202 C 43 was MB's first V8 AMG was it? That vehicle deserves to be respected.
i agree on all points... the c43 (m113??) was one of my dream cars ... then replaced by the e55.... I'll be hurt if they use e55 on a hybrid amg sedan (but I'll get over it in about five seconds)
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
i agree on all points... the c43 (m113??) was one of my dream cars ... then replaced by the e55.... I'll be hurt if they use e55 on a hybrid amg sedan (but I'll get over it in about five seconds)
I wonder. Porsche is all in on EV and turned the Macan to EV only (their best selling model no less) and will do the same with the 718. They don't seem to do a 180 like Mercedes is doing after they are struggling to move their EV's. This means they will hang on longer to their 1st gen EV platform and try to extend their ICE platform and rethink their engine choices (all while having ceased ICE R&D a while back).
Combine this with significant weight and price increases. Just feels less compelling, at least in the short term.
MB must have miscalculated move to EVs, specifically EQS has the lowest resale value and EQS AMG is abuse of the AMG brand name as this one is really couch potato dream come true…
One man, one motor is the new motto!
I wonder. Porsche is all in on EV and turned the Macan to EV only (their best selling model no less) and will do the same with the 718. They don't seem to do a 180 like Mercedes is doing after they are struggling to move their EV's. This means they will hang on longer to their 1st gen EV platform and try to extend their ICE platform and rethink their engine choices (all while having ceased ICE R&D a while back).
Combine this with significant weight and price increases. Just feels less compelling, at least in the short term.
I think it is hard to compare a company like the Volkswagen group who have so many different offerings across different brands that combining economies of scalethey can serve each part of the industry as a niche product with lower costs. Mercedes, though it does have other brands, was known for being the best form of travel for the wealthy and elite with Amg being an upgrade for the wealthy hooligan. Mercedes had very different district tiers of vehicles but the trend of making everything look the same and trying to offer too many similar options for each tier really means that they lose the customer that wants something different other than size, such as a v8, v12, twin turbo, wagon etc. If the models all have the same engines and tech and size is the only difference, are they even really offering multiple products? Mercedes just has a different business model than the past and their typical wealthy older buyer is rejecting new tech. I believe this class of people understand they want what they want and can afford AND they take their business elsewhere which is very different than fanboys that are brand loyal. I also don’t think we can compare a Macan which is a cheap porshe model for all intents and purposes, vs a “true” amg or exclusive sclass at much higher cost. Had Mercedes only created a cheap Tesla ev they likely would fair better, but again that’s a cheap Mercedes diluting what the brand stood for. The only reason people pay for an expensive Tesla is hype, not quality, and an older Mercedes buyer wants the latter. I’m 45 and could never see myself in a Tesla, no matter how fast or autonomous. The quality is just crap. It’s unfortunate that Mercedes tried to follow that model because they are not a tech bubble company.
so does the forum action now depend only on the fanboys while those that chase tech are using different tech to communicate. Communication difficulties between generations is clearly a thing.
I think a contributing factor to the lower sales was the crazy prices for their EV lineup(s). I'm not in tune to say they fixed it yet, but they were overpriced, and that was noticed by casual buyers too.
MB must have miscalculated move to EVs, specifically EQS has the lowest resale value and EQS AMG is abuse of the AMG brand name as this one is really couch potato dream come true…
One man, one motor is the new motto!
there's a 2022 eqs amg sitting/rotting on a local Benz lot for $70k, 6k miles, stickered for $160k and god knows what adm at the time.... the market has spoken.
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