2019 E63s W123
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Just got into a 19 e63s owned it a couple months and car has a rough idle and 2 codes
1 - P002477 The positioning of the exhaust camshaft (cylinder bank 2) deviates from the specific value the commanded position cannot be reached.
2 - P002177 The positioning of the intake camshaft (cylinder bank 2) deviates from the specific value the commanded position cannot be reached.
a friend with a c63s rode in it couple weeks ago and brought it to my attention that the idle doesn't feel right at all and sitting in his car there's a huge difference for sure , the car pulls strong doesn't skip a beat performance is all there and I've driven it pretty hard for these few months, so far I have replaced spark plugs and ignition coils and the intake camshaft sensor only on bank 2 , nothing has helped or changed will be replacing the exhaust side camshaft sensor here soon as well and also I forgot to mention no check engine light turns on and never has turned on out of these months of ownership i only found these codes by scanning the car and them being stored, I did try to delete and rescan but it doesn't clear any help, tips, insight would be very helpful as I'm not sure in which direction to purse next , thanks.
1 - P002477 The positioning of the exhaust camshaft (cylinder bank 2) deviates from the specific value the commanded position cannot be reached.
2 - P002177 The positioning of the intake camshaft (cylinder bank 2) deviates from the specific value the commanded position cannot be reached.
a friend with a c63s rode in it couple weeks ago and brought it to my attention that the idle doesn't feel right at all and sitting in his car there's a huge difference for sure , the car pulls strong doesn't skip a beat performance is all there and I've driven it pretty hard for these few months, so far I have replaced spark plugs and ignition coils and the intake camshaft sensor only on bank 2 , nothing has helped or changed will be replacing the exhaust side camshaft sensor here soon as well and also I forgot to mention no check engine light turns on and never has turned on out of these months of ownership i only found these codes by scanning the car and them being stored, I did try to delete and rescan but it doesn't clear any help, tips, insight would be very helpful as I'm not sure in which direction to purse next , thanks.
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How many miles on the car? The timing chain must still be decent if it's relatively low miles
Is it tuned?
is there oil or damage to the wiring harness for the sensors?
did you change oil weight/type recently?
Can you log the car to monitor camshaft data while driving?
Is it tuned?
is there oil or damage to the wiring harness for the sensors?
did you change oil weight/type recently?
Can you log the car to monitor camshaft data while driving?
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Hey, car is 100% stock and it has 48,500 ish miles I changed the oil the day I got it for peace of mind with 0w40 mobil 1 and a hengst filter its been about 2,500 miles since the oil change and oil level is still good.
the intake camshaft sensor connector did not have any oil around or in it as for other sensors I haven't really thoroughly inspected them but I will do that, and what can I use to log the car while driving ?
the intake camshaft sensor connector did not have any oil around or in it as for other sensors I haven't really thoroughly inspected them but I will do that, and what can I use to log the car while driving ?
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Hey, car is 100% stock and it has 48,500 ish miles I changed the oil the day I got it for peace of mind with 0w40 mobil 1 and a hengst filter its been about 2,500 miles since the oil change and oil level is still good.
the intake camshaft sensor connector did not have any oil around or in it as for other sensors I haven't really thoroughly inspected them but I will do that, and what can I use to log the car while driving ?
the intake camshaft sensor connector did not have any oil around or in it as for other sensors I haven't really thoroughly inspected them but I will do that, and what can I use to log the car while driving ?
was the car rough idling since you bought it? What's the story on the car - how did you acquire it - Benz dealer?
in the bmw world when the vanos solenoid has issues this can similarly happen - what you're experiencing. If you have bigger issues and no chain stretch or tensioner issues, the next place could be the valve timing system and issues therein
you have enough oil in the engine yeah? No low pressure or low oil warnings?
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Yeah car has been rough idling since I got it, sometimes it gets really rough and sometimes not as bad there has been very rare cases where the car idles as it should and no shake nothing but its rare , engine oil is at a good level still since the oil change (2500) miles and no oil pressure warning of any sort no warnings for anything in general, i purchased the car from a 3rd party dealership and not a benz dealership. I cant believe the check engine light doesn't illuminate for these codes is that normal ? Ill be changing the oil this weekend and the exhaust camshaft sensor and im trying to get ahold of a autel scanner to log some data, thanks for the replies peter.
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Deep breath - hopefully just a sensor issue - if not - best get this definitively fixed by a master tech before it's undriveable and bricked
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Shot in the dark - check for RMS leak (tons of info on this in the sticky)
my thought is this: if there is high crank case pressure maybe somehow that's messing with the valve oiling and timing and secondarily you're having this erratic idle, but I'll be honest with you. I've not read any reports of people with rear main seal leaking that also had erratic idle or the codes that you generated in your ECU.
also, does the Carfax give any suggestion that this was an issue for the previous owner or the owner before that? Sometimes cars are dumped on auction and then diverted to these smaller third-party sales lots because it's an issue that just cannot be solved cheaply.
my thought is this: if there is high crank case pressure maybe somehow that's messing with the valve oiling and timing and secondarily you're having this erratic idle, but I'll be honest with you. I've not read any reports of people with rear main seal leaking that also had erratic idle or the codes that you generated in your ECU.
also, does the Carfax give any suggestion that this was an issue for the previous owner or the owner before that? Sometimes cars are dumped on auction and then diverted to these smaller third-party sales lots because it's an issue that just cannot be solved cheaply.
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there hasn't been any leaks on the floor of the garage i park it there everyday up until now and i didn't notice anything out of usual when i first changed the oil but ill inspect again when i change the oil this weekend
as for carfax it has service history and the only 2 bigger things i see is water pump (45kmiles) and 2 front wheel bearings (43kmiles) which were replaced by Mercedes a dealership so a little before i purchased the car other than that looks like just normal service and checks.
as for carfax it has service history and the only 2 bigger things i see is water pump (45kmiles) and 2 front wheel bearings (43kmiles) which were replaced by Mercedes a dealership so a little before i purchased the car other than that looks like just normal service and checks.
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there hasn't been any leaks on the floor of the garage i park it there everyday up until now and i didn't notice anything out of usual when i first changed the oil but ill inspect again when i change the oil this weekend
as for carfax it has service history and the only 2 bigger things i see is water pump (45kmiles) and 2 front wheel bearings (43kmiles) which were replaced by Mercedes a dealership so a little before i purchased the car other than that looks like just normal service and checks.
as for carfax it has service history and the only 2 bigger things i see is water pump (45kmiles) and 2 front wheel bearings (43kmiles) which were replaced by Mercedes a dealership so a little before i purchased the car other than that looks like just normal service and checks.
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This is the values during idle
did the camshaft position test with the autel scanner 3000-3500rpm and this was the results as well
Changed the oil this weekend looked normal and looked for leaks found nothing haven't put on the exhaust camshaft sensor on bank 2 in yet but id assume its good since the values read out fine but will change that here in a couple days.
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This is the values during idle
did the camshaft position test with the autel scanner 3000-3500rpm and this was the results as well
Changed the oil this weekend looked normal and looked for leaks found nothing haven't put on the exhaust camshaft sensor on bank 2 in yet but id assume its good since the values read out fine but will change that here in a couple days.
also your codes happened under load
report back when its changed out
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Well I'm not sure if the codes happened under load, those codes could of been there the entire time even when I purchased the car which I speculate did happen because I didn't scan the car right away it had no CEL and still doesn't unless you scan the vehicle, Ill change out the exhuast cam sensor today after work and report back tonight or tomorrow morning thanks again.
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Also, it's possible that these codes have nothing to do with your rough idle, and you may have a rough idle based on the following two links, the first link takes you to the sticky where the issue was the transmission mount strap, and the second one, the post right below that is about loose CV axles
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post9135850
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post9135850
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Good thought peter very true, do you think that those issues can still be the case if the car idles perfectly smooth sometimes ? 90% of the time its rough and can get rougher but there is random times where the car just idles perfect like nothing ever happened, or are those issues more of a I will have a rough idle 100% of the time ?
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Good thought peter very true, do you think that those issues can still be the case if the car idles perfectly smooth sometimes ? 90% of the time its rough and can get rougher but there is random times where the car just idles perfect like nothing ever happened, or are those issues more of a I will have a rough idle 100% of the time ?
if the sensor doesn't work - it's worth having a dealer look into the axles and the motor and trans mounts and you keeping an eye on those codes and how often they occur
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those codes don't delete I've tried clearing them multiple times and I've left the battery unplugged overnight as well to see, and codes remain, if mounts were bad id think the idle would always be rough no matter what right ? and on the car scan both mounts show up with no faults. also car drives very smooth ive done multiple 170mph pulls no hiccups at all while driving nor do i feel anything while driving just rough idle , this car is so weird!
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those codes don't delete I've tried clearing them multiple times and I've left the battery unplugged overnight as well to see, and codes remain, if mounts were bad id think the idle would always be rough no matter what right ? and on the car scan both mounts show up with no faults. also car drives very smooth ive done multiple 170mph pulls no hiccups at all while driving nor do i feel anything while driving just rough idle , this car is so weird!
Motor mounts is an idle issue mostly - when at a stoplight, brakes applied, in drive; And I think you have active motor mounts so I'm not sure how it applies to those. Unfortunately you still need to cross all these things off the culprit list.
You gotta move the needle forward, one thing at a time.
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Ive tried ignition on and running never clears , havent tried xentry though so now the intake and exhaust cam sensors are replaced on bank 2 which is where the issues are and still idles rough , i dont think its the axle issue as being in park , drive, reverse, or neutral changes nothing and turning the wheel changes nothing and apply brakes abruptly or softly same scenario nothing changes . Guess i will try to take closer look at the engine and trans mounts tomorrow.
