dbasons55

I respect that some of the guys had issues with this spark plug recall and hopefully all of us don't experience this but still where are the pics of the rest of the plugs? Ali you said you would post them and still no pics uploaded! Now you are saying you should have asked for a richer tune cuz of the high temperatures you are running ur car in?? Does this mean your car was lean and you are blaming the plugs? I checked with EMC "Mercedes dealer" and they said there are no problems with spark plugs and no recall on them too! Plus if you where running 19psi and your car was very fast then that means the power you are making was from the timing and not from the boost, so you got good power from 1 extra psi?? To be able to justify the high power output you had, would be from advancing the timing! Can you post the pics of the rest of the plugs, so we can rest assure it was a plug problem and not a lean mix!
Thanks

Ali_E55

propably all the first production cars had some issue with plugs.

edition 1 : from the name it is the first batch unique but will have problems.

will keep you guys all updated soon

Ali_E55

my AFR showed 12.

stock is 12.5

so my tune is richer than stock, as for the boost, stock PP is 18.8, so 0.2 boost is not that much of adding.

i didn't went to the dealer untill know and i will go today and will try to take as much pictures as i can.

don't worry i'm not the type of hiding anything.

i am pretty sure it will be this 1 plug issue and its a fualty one.

Ali_E55

i know my friend. they will try to prove hard that my tune caused the issue.

will check Brisk Spark plugs care to give part number ?

shawnha

i am confused
should i just go get my plugs replaced just to be safe? hmmm......

Ali_E55

if you are stock, no need to replace them.

but if your car is tuned, i will sure look for Aftermarket plug that is better.

shawnha

yes my car is tuned..i have the brabus b63 kit..
which aftermarket plugs do you recommend?
it really sucks...

Ali_E55

there is NGK and Brisk.

i have not tried any of them

Jacob recomends Brisk spark but i don't know which one to use.

dbasons55

Ok so I was wrong you are 0.2psi more boost over stock and running richer than the stock PP, and still made the same power as Vic which is 13% more WHP than stock? Since you are using an identical tune as Vic! Your tune must have something special!

Ali_E55

why do yo always assume i am hiding something.

80whp over PP is a good gain.

nothing special, same thing as everyone has.

dbasons55

Bro i know its something not special every tuner is getting that gain out of those engines with a simple software upgrade, which makes it one of the coolest cars to tune but you cant get the +60WHP with 0.2psi more over stock boost which doesn't add up right to your claims of how much faster your car must have felt, all in all i am sorry but there is no common sense in what you are claiming here and again i will say one more thing everyone with the plug problem said the plugs missfired or the ceramic chipped, but you mentioned MELTING thats definitely overheating caused by a lean mix

Ali_E55

all tuners say there is no increase in boost with there tune

about the other melting plugs let us wait untill i get the other plugs and take photos of them and then we can decide if it is a lean mixture or not.

but again for sure, it is richer than stock when i tested it and also from Vic55 dyno run.

wheelsloose

My 2012 CLS63 was built on 3/20/12 and delivered on 4/16/12. I assume these faulty plugs were a known issue to MB and they probably would have fixed before my build?

dbasons55

I am sorry but it seems that this is not true again how can u get more HP without going up in boost and get a richer mix? enlighten us with this new information please who are the tuners that you are referring to that make more HP without going up in boost? is this part of your special tune as well the only way to make more power without going up in boost is by advancing the timing, why don't you admit you had a lean mix? You said you already had a look at those plugs and u mentioned melting and blamed it on your eye site! Come on it's clear Bro your just being very protective to someone who gave you a bad tune and blaming the thing on the plugs.

Saeedg48

he did increase boost as he mentions here

freefall

@Ali_55 - I'm starting to think that Dbasons55 is your SA....

Vic55

LOL

dbasons55

This is the problem 0.8 psi or 2psi would never give you 60whp and no one of the tuners published what boost they are running, back to the main problem how do u melt your plugs? Advancing the time that yields HP and damage internals just what Ali experienced plus he wants us to believe it's the plugs which has nothing to do with it in this case.

Freefall sorry I don't know what SA stands for in all cases I just want to know what really happened cuz my friend was at the dealer and they mentioned Ali's car melting plugs not one couple, and I want to know since he posted here I must ask, I have nothing against Ali he is a nice guy we raced once I was looking forward to doing it again

Zod

He said he would get back to you...not sure why you keep repeating the same argument..you would think it was your engine that this happened to

give the man a break, he posted the info him self as a heads up and your eating him alive....as of right now you are speculating...no point arguing on speculation until the facts are known

It might be the tune, or it might actually be a defective product from MB..no point in assuming

peace bro and really love what you have achieved by the way

also FYI SA is service adviser ;p

dbasons55

bro I know I am making it big but it's cuz I am confused as well and need some hard evidence on Ali's situation just so we can prevent this from happening to us, i really don't have anything against him and I wish him all the best, I have taken my car to it's limits and cuz of Ali's situation I changed my plugs again! I hope it's the plug wallah but I have to argue until proven wrong.
If I was his SA I promise to fix it on warranty

freefall

SA is Service Advisor...he is basically your liaison to MB. If the SA is "tune friendly" he will look out and work with you. If your SA is not tune friendly and doesn't like you because you are driving a car that is most likely 3x his annual salary he can be your worst enemy.

Jest meeting around though as you are questioning Ali_55 pretty hard but its interesting and I am learning a alot. As I stated numerous times my plugs needed to be replaced about week after my tune and the SA said that "if" I had a tune the two events would not be related. We always talk in the hypothetical and don't have Renntech badges on my car so he can help me without knowing if I really have a tune or not...covers us both....

And I have no reason for saying this but I want to for some reason:

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK...I'm good.

dbasons55

you make me laugh seriously what truth are you talking about, you don't seem to understand the situation here although you are one of whom had a spark plug problem! Do you know the difference between melting and chipped? This is the difference your car still working properlly and Ali's in the work shop, renntech has given u a good safe tune, Ali is unfortunate had a bad tune, his tune destroyed the plug by melting it, I have changed my plugs after getting two odd CEL coming! I have taken my car to extreme limits and I would love to know the truth behind this story from Ali not from the SA in our dealer.

freefall

Than I achieved my goal because I was just joking....sort of. It seems that you know the truth from the facts you gathered on the thread and it doesn't add up from what Ali is sharing. And being that I am still learning and trying to understand what you are saying, let me reiterate.

Your saying that if it were the plugs it would be chipped not melted as you assume Ali's are. In addition you are saying that a quality tune would not melt plugs so there HAS TO BE something else going on here (maybe the timing) that is not being shared.

Is that about right?

Also - Didn't mean to offend if I did. I totally respect your knowledge and to question is to learn. I just think that sometimes personalities don't come through on forum and therefore this get misunderstood. The way I see is if you are here instead of Facebook you alright by me....

dbasons55

I am not into Facebook after using it for few months I saw it took too much of my precious time so I quit! I hope all the best for everyone here this is a good Mercedes lovers forum where we can share ups and downs all sort of information. Just being part of MBworld makes us want to enjoy our rides more and more!

shawnha

i had my shop check out my plugs yesterday and my car
was already equipped with NGK racing plugs from the factory.
they were different from the cheap plugs that some had on this forum.
No worries for chipping or melting problem for later model CLS63 i guess....