paomien

I have a set of 3-pc BBS RS rims I took off my 91 LS400 when I sold it; will these fit on my 99 E430? I know I probably need different lug nuts, but otherwise can I use these rims?
TIA

Harris

I have a feeling Lexus and MB have different bolt patterns.

paomien

you might be right, but it seems the holes do line up...

jimmydagreek

I'm not sure but have you tried fitting them??? I have personally seen several Lexus sedans with Brabus and Carlsson wheels on them but have never had a chance to ask if they were doing something special to make them fit...

E55 KEV

Harris, you should have been more definitive with your answer. You left the impression that Lexus wheels may fit. Lexus wheels do not fit Mercedes. Different bolt pattern and different center hub bore.

Lexus:
5X114.3 bolt pattern
??.?? center bore

Mercedes:
5x112 bolt pattern
66.56 center bore

Unless, the particular wheel is 'dual drilled' for 5x112 and 5x114.3. This means the wheel has 10 lug holes instead of just 5. Five holes are for Lexus and the other 5 are for MBZ. If this is the case then a different centering ring is required to bring the Lexus center bore down to a Mercedes 66.56.

E55 KEV

Lexus wheels have a center bore of 60.1mm and MBZ uses 66.56. So the correct answer is 'No'. Lexus will not fit MBZ even if dual drilled. The center bore is too small.

jimmydagreek

Then how in the heck are these Lexuses rolling on Brabus and Carlsson wheels ??? They are original wheels BTW and not aftermarket copies as I have walked up and have seen the raised Brabus lettering on the actual rim itself...

E55 KEV

You can custom make anything! Machine Shops can do anything you want. There are companies that re-drill the bolt patterns and custom fit the center hub. It is easier to use a Mercedes wheel with a 66.56 center which is bigger and a centering ring on a Lexus. In order to put a 60.1mm hub Lexus wheel on a Mercedes the center bore has to be milled out to 66.56mm.

Plus some people do stupid things and many think 5 hole wheels are all the same and don't know nothing about a wheels center bore or bolt pattern. I just ran into a woman with R129 SL wheels and tires on her W203 C-Class. The offset was wrong and of course the tires were too tall. I told her that the fitment was wrong and she replied "she had no problems". I looked at her rear wheels and the damn fender is chewing away the damn tire because it protuded beyond the fender well and the tire was too tall. Some idiots put on incorrect fitments and just live with the rubbing because they like the look.

jimmydagreek

I was just trying to see if there were any similarities in the 2 cars in terms of wheels. I have just seen too many too often and didn't really think that people would go through the trouble to make them fit when there are so many options out there, especially for Lexus. Anyway, thanks for the tech. data on the center bore. I too have seen a lot of stupid things done to cars that make me go as well...

Luke@tirerack

Carlsson did make a couple of wheels for a Lexus application a few years ago

jimmydagreek

I knew it had to be something. Thanks for the back Luke...

E55 KEV

Carlsson makes some tuning products for Lexus. Probably limited availability in the states.

jimmydagreek

Nice, where did you find that pic. KEV?

E55 KEV

Carlsson Japan:

www.carlsson.co.jp

jimmydagreek

Thanks. Love the intro. with sound on the site...

Whitey

Jimmy, just to give you some peace of mind, I've seen copies of Brabus rims with the protruding logo, but of course, this is HK! My mechanic who is the offical local Brabus importer swears there are so many replicas in town its merciless. He taught me how to spot one........I've yet to see a genuine second hand one for sale!

jimmydagreek

I don't mind copied or replica wheels. If they are mfr'd well, you can save a lot of money on a set as compared with originals. The only thing that isn't right is placing original stickers, stamps or any other sort of identifiable marks that mislead people into thinking they are the real thing. It's along the same lines of re-badging cars (ie. E320 into an E55), it just shouldn't be happening. That' just my opinion of course...

paomien

thanks for the replies, guys! so I guess it's a no go...just wanted a set of winter tires.... in they go to the basement.....!!!

paomien

btw... funny how i see both you guys (whitey and jimmy) here... hahaha

Whitey

I strongly object when the rip-off merchants are telling niave consumers that they are real! These are more like "knockoffs" rather than replicas. I am weary of these things as they can't be subject to the same R&D and testing that the originals go thru - its really not a case of "the pricier the better"....there was one member on this forum who had his "new Brabus" crack under normal driving conditons.....i wonder whether they're selling these Taiwanese pirates in the US...

jimmydagreek

Wuzzofunny???

Whitey

I dunno

I just decided to surf this board cos the W210 one was getting a bit dull (except for E-Klasse's last post on the Pic thread - LOL!) and I wanted to find my earlier posts re finding the good looking, deep lipped wheels for my car......still can't find them (might have to do a proper search).

jimmydagreek

Post some pics. if and when you find those wheels. I have also been thinking about the same thing but haven't seen anything to jump at yet...

Whitey

I was recommended many Jimmy, in that thread (whereever it is???). Some were given to me off-line - I was recommended HRE's (too expensive for my budget at the moment) and I-forged amongst a number of others that were custom made (so no problems with irregular offsets, bolt configuration etc) and I loved them all but as you know, I can't get them

Will do a search now and let you know which wheels they were - I think you'll like em too and they'll go very well with your new "E420 Carlsson"

I recently found some deep lipped multi-peice BBS's (latest Japanese imports I was told) that'll fit the W210 and they look supreme. Very similar to the I-forged's except without the high-polish finish. They cost about $600 each.......still considering after painfully forking out my life savings on the AMG kit recently......).

paomien

sorry guys didn't mean it was actually "funny"...just was kinda surprised to see you guys post here too, that's all