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WARNING: Buyer Beware! CLS55 Rims ---> member: Tbal
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WARNING: Buyer Beware! CLS55 Rims ---> member: Tbal
I'm posting this as a warning to other members of the forum here about the long drawn out ordeal i've had to endure after buying a used set of CLS55 rims from another member on the forum here: Tbal.
I'll be the first one to say, yes i'm new to this forum and my post count is probably sitting at zero right now. I've only recently purchased my first MB and I haven't had much to contribute. While i've browsed this forum for a fair amount while making the decision on my current car (06 CLS), I recently joined to find a set of summer wheels.
Fast forward to now. Here is a synopsis of what happened:
Link to the original thread for those that are interested:
https://mbworld.org/forums/wheels-tires/427472-feeler-oem-19-cls55-wheels.html
· Firstly I ask Tony are these rims straight, cracked, repaired? His response is minor wear and tear, straight, no cracks. Sounds good, let's make a deal!
· Secondly the rims started off with rear tires at 60% tread, i'm later told the tires are at the wear bar and he will take them off before shipping to "save" me from having to pay extra for shipping and dismounting. How someone thinks the wear bar means 60% left I don't know but whatever i more interested in the rims than the tires, so we adjust the price accordingly. Payment sent on Dec 27, woohoo Christmas present to myself!
· Jan 9 - Fedex package arrives. Write Tony to say, "recieved the package today and all appears well, thanks." Good news, the package received is not a bunch of pencil crayons but the CLS rims and they are in fact OEM!
· Jan 12 - closesly inspect the rims and 3 out of 4 are cracked! Send pictures and ask Tony for a refund as I have no intention of repairing, mounting 3 cracked rims. I don't even know if I would mount one cracked rim let alone 3 out of 4. Tony responds, you wrote me and said all is well. He tells me this alleviates him of all responsibility and that i must have managed to crack them myself in the prior 4 days and that i'm trying to scam him. His "BBB" garage certified the condition of the rims prior to shipping and he has written proof!
· Jan 15 - enough back and forth, Tony thinks that me paying to ship them back is enough deterent for me to keep the rims, he is unwillling to refund as per my request. He doesn't offer to pay for repair but wants me to get an estimate of repair. Forget it, I didn't pay him for or want cracked / repaired rims, this is not even an option for me. Claim filed through paypal.
· Feb 29 - finally paypal rules in my favour and a full refund is granted. I'm out the shipping cost back to B.C. but whatever at least I am getting my money back.
· The only l joy I get from the whole process is that i know he is also out the shipping costs to me and now he's got his sh*tty rims back. I can see a set with one cracked rims selling but when 3 out of 4 are cracked good luck finding a buyer that is willing to take them and offer him more than what the're worth as scrap metal .
Anyways if you are looking for CLS rims, keep looking. Proof is in the pictures, the background is as i took them out of the boxes he shipped them in.
I hope this gets posted as a warning to others, it would appear he is an avid member of this community and I'm sure there are other members that could attest to his well being. Unfortunately that's not the case in this instance, and it's a shame where people join these forums to help one another out or chat about a common interest and others are out to ruin the experience. I'm left to buy a brand new set as spring is approaching, but ah well chalk it up as a learning experience for me and hopefully not the next person.
I'll be the first one to say, yes i'm new to this forum and my post count is probably sitting at zero right now. I've only recently purchased my first MB and I haven't had much to contribute. While i've browsed this forum for a fair amount while making the decision on my current car (06 CLS), I recently joined to find a set of summer wheels.
Fast forward to now. Here is a synopsis of what happened:
Link to the original thread for those that are interested:
https://mbworld.org/forums/wheels-tires/427472-feeler-oem-19-cls55-wheels.html
· Firstly I ask Tony are these rims straight, cracked, repaired? His response is minor wear and tear, straight, no cracks. Sounds good, let's make a deal!
· Secondly the rims started off with rear tires at 60% tread, i'm later told the tires are at the wear bar and he will take them off before shipping to "save" me from having to pay extra for shipping and dismounting. How someone thinks the wear bar means 60% left I don't know but whatever i more interested in the rims than the tires, so we adjust the price accordingly. Payment sent on Dec 27, woohoo Christmas present to myself!
· Jan 9 - Fedex package arrives. Write Tony to say, "recieved the package today and all appears well, thanks." Good news, the package received is not a bunch of pencil crayons but the CLS rims and they are in fact OEM!
· Jan 12 - closesly inspect the rims and 3 out of 4 are cracked! Send pictures and ask Tony for a refund as I have no intention of repairing, mounting 3 cracked rims. I don't even know if I would mount one cracked rim let alone 3 out of 4. Tony responds, you wrote me and said all is well. He tells me this alleviates him of all responsibility and that i must have managed to crack them myself in the prior 4 days and that i'm trying to scam him. His "BBB" garage certified the condition of the rims prior to shipping and he has written proof!
· Jan 15 - enough back and forth, Tony thinks that me paying to ship them back is enough deterent for me to keep the rims, he is unwillling to refund as per my request. He doesn't offer to pay for repair but wants me to get an estimate of repair. Forget it, I didn't pay him for or want cracked / repaired rims, this is not even an option for me. Claim filed through paypal.
· Feb 29 - finally paypal rules in my favour and a full refund is granted. I'm out the shipping cost back to B.C. but whatever at least I am getting my money back.
· The only l joy I get from the whole process is that i know he is also out the shipping costs to me and now he's got his sh*tty rims back. I can see a set with one cracked rims selling but when 3 out of 4 are cracked good luck finding a buyer that is willing to take them and offer him more than what the're worth as scrap metal .
Anyways if you are looking for CLS rims, keep looking. Proof is in the pictures, the background is as i took them out of the boxes he shipped them in.
I hope this gets posted as a warning to others, it would appear he is an avid member of this community and I'm sure there are other members that could attest to his well being. Unfortunately that's not the case in this instance, and it's a shame where people join these forums to help one another out or chat about a common interest and others are out to ruin the experience. I'm left to buy a brand new set as spring is approaching, but ah well chalk it up as a learning experience for me and hopefully not the next person.
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If you don't want to pay for shipping, tell FedEx you are refusing the packages, but it has been way to long to do that. Just for future reference!
P.S. Was there any packaging used besides the box itself?
P.S. Was there any packaging used besides the box itself?
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Hmm, that didn't cross my mind about the shipping but good to know!
Apart from a strip of cardboard that he lay across the face of the wheels, they came packed as you see them. At one point his claim was that they must have been damaged in transit, that I don't buy because someone has taken the liberty to mark the damage on the rims with a marker, presumably whatever shop took off the tires.
Apart from a strip of cardboard that he lay across the face of the wheels, they came packed as you see them. At one point his claim was that they must have been damaged in transit, that I don't buy because someone has taken the liberty to mark the damage on the rims with a marker, presumably whatever shop took off the tires.
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Yeah if it was marked off, then damaged before shipping. Even if it was damaged during shipping, FedEx would deny it because of the lack of shipping materials. I just pay $60 to have FedEx pack them for me lol
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I've sold countless things on here including 3 sets wheels. Have bought numerous large ticket, and sold large ticket things on eBay and other forums. I encourage you to search tbal and see my 20,000 posts on diff forums and check to see if Iam that kind of seller.
This guy bought the rims, for delivered, a week later tells me they were cracked. I had the tires removed from the wheels, and the wheels were on my car no problem. My tire shop whose been around for 10 years did not mention anything about a crack. So I packed the the rims shipped them off. So now giving the situation, and this noob who has 1 post on here I sold them. Week later to find out 3/4 rims had hairline crack in the inside part of the rim. I'll post some pix. I dunno what happened, at this point i had somebody trying to screw me over for some wheels I didn't know. So PayPal case was opened...
After finding out there cracked I offered to have them repaired, but this guy wanted half the money back. I didn't agree so he wanted a full refund. But after being a douche bag I left the PayPal case do their job and he was refunded.
Now I got the rims and the 3 that are cracked I looked at them and am shocked. I don't know how they were missed, or if this guy had them on his car, who knows. He got his money back, I got my rims, $200 wasted on shipping, I'm sure he did too end of discussion. People make mistakes, this was a honest mistake that seemed like somebody trying to pull a fast one on me. Move on!
As for the rims, you think people just throw away rims if they bend or crack? A buddy of mine has a rim shop will make them mint. Already have 2 local buyers
This guy bought the rims, for delivered, a week later tells me they were cracked. I had the tires removed from the wheels, and the wheels were on my car no problem. My tire shop whose been around for 10 years did not mention anything about a crack. So I packed the the rims shipped them off. So now giving the situation, and this noob who has 1 post on here I sold them. Week later to find out 3/4 rims had hairline crack in the inside part of the rim. I'll post some pix. I dunno what happened, at this point i had somebody trying to screw me over for some wheels I didn't know. So PayPal case was opened...
After finding out there cracked I offered to have them repaired, but this guy wanted half the money back. I didn't agree so he wanted a full refund. But after being a douche bag I left the PayPal case do their job and he was refunded.
Now I got the rims and the 3 that are cracked I looked at them and am shocked. I don't know how they were missed, or if this guy had them on his car, who knows. He got his money back, I got my rims, $200 wasted on shipping, I'm sure he did too end of discussion. People make mistakes, this was a honest mistake that seemed like somebody trying to pull a fast one on me. Move on!
As for the rims, you think people just throw away rims if they bend or crack? A buddy of mine has a rim shop will make them mint. Already have 2 local buyers
Last edited by tbal; Feb 29, 2012 at 03:41 PM.
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Glad you used Paypal and a refund has been granted. Don't let one bad apple ruin it for everyone one else. I sold my W210 AMG rims OEM 1k+ to another member here and transaction was easy and no hiccups.
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Hmm, that didn't cross my mind about the shipping but good to know!
Apart from a strip of cardboard that he lay across the face of the wheels, they came packed as you see them. At one point his claim was that they must have been damaged in transit, that I don't buy because someone has taken the liberty to mark the damage on the rims with a marker, presumably whatever shop took off the tires.
Apart from a strip of cardboard that he lay across the face of the wheels, they came packed as you see them. At one point his claim was that they must have been damaged in transit, that I don't buy because someone has taken the liberty to mark the damage on the rims with a marker, presumably whatever shop took off the tires.
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Believe me, i'm over it, this post is not directed at you. I feel compelled to inform the other members of the board here so they can be informed consumers. I have my money back and that outcome was decided by an independent third party.
Whether you have one post of 10,000 posts it doesn't change the circumstances here. Remember at one point in your life you had one post too.
Why do you think 4-5 days is eternity? I specifically said "all appears well" which is exactly what it means, look at the context of the statement in no way is this a definitive statement about the condition of the rims. As a courtesy I emailed you immediately to let you know I had received the rims and to say thanks. Was that the extent of your response to paypal? Why don't you go back to paypal, demand your money back and insist they change their dispute policy to 24 hours? Surely then you can't be surprised that they ruled in my favour.
Anyways, I'm not here to answer to you or rehash the countless email correspondences we've had on this, it's taken up enough of my life.
I've posted here to let other people know that you've been misleading and unethical through this whole transaction. I felt the need to inform and from that end, i've done my part. Everyone can arrive at their own conclusions from there.
Feel free to go start your own post about how good an individual you are and your 20,000 posts and large ticket items. Just don't repost these rims for what they aren't.
Whether you have one post of 10,000 posts it doesn't change the circumstances here. Remember at one point in your life you had one post too.
Why do you think 4-5 days is eternity? I specifically said "all appears well" which is exactly what it means, look at the context of the statement in no way is this a definitive statement about the condition of the rims. As a courtesy I emailed you immediately to let you know I had received the rims and to say thanks. Was that the extent of your response to paypal? Why don't you go back to paypal, demand your money back and insist they change their dispute policy to 24 hours? Surely then you can't be surprised that they ruled in my favour.
Anyways, I'm not here to answer to you or rehash the countless email correspondences we've had on this, it's taken up enough of my life.
I've posted here to let other people know that you've been misleading and unethical through this whole transaction. I felt the need to inform and from that end, i've done my part. Everyone can arrive at their own conclusions from there.
Feel free to go start your own post about how good an individual you are and your 20,000 posts and large ticket items. Just don't repost these rims for what they aren't.
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To each his own but i'm not interested in buying cracked rims. The integrity of the wheel is compromised and the likelyhood of failure is increased. Key word here is increased.
I'm not saying that you can't drive on a cracked rim but you are mending with different compound that what the wheels were made from. Had I known:
a) i wouldn't have bought them
b) certaintly wouldn't have paid what we agreed upon
I'm not saying that you can't drive on a cracked rim but you are mending with different compound that what the wheels were made from. Had I known:
a) i wouldn't have bought them
b) certaintly wouldn't have paid what we agreed upon
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Believe me, i'm over it, this post is not directed at you. I feel compelled to inform the other members of the board here so they can be informed consumers. I have my money back and that outcome was decided by an independent third party.
Whether you have one post of 10,000 posts it doesn't change the circumstances here. Remember at one point in your life you had one post too.
Why do you think 4-5 days is eternity? I specifically said "all appears well" which is exactly what it means, look at the context of the statement in no way is this a definitive statement about the condition of the rims. As a courtesy I emailed you immediately to let you know I had received the rims and to say thanks. Was that the extent of your response to paypal? Why don't you go back to paypal, demand your money back and insist they change their dispute policy to 24 hours? Surely then you can't be surprised that they ruled in my favour.
Anyways, I'm not here to answer to you or rehash the countless email correspondences we've had on this, it's taken up enough of my life.
I've posted here to let other people know that you've been misleading and unethical through this whole transaction. I felt the need to inform and from that end, i've done my part. Everyone can arrive at their own conclusions from there.
Feel free to go start your own post about how good an individual you are and your 20,000 posts and large ticket items. Just don't repost these rims for what they aren't.
Whether you have one post of 10,000 posts it doesn't change the circumstances here. Remember at one point in your life you had one post too.
Why do you think 4-5 days is eternity? I specifically said "all appears well" which is exactly what it means, look at the context of the statement in no way is this a definitive statement about the condition of the rims. As a courtesy I emailed you immediately to let you know I had received the rims and to say thanks. Was that the extent of your response to paypal? Why don't you go back to paypal, demand your money back and insist they change their dispute policy to 24 hours? Surely then you can't be surprised that they ruled in my favour.
Anyways, I'm not here to answer to you or rehash the countless email correspondences we've had on this, it's taken up enough of my life.
I've posted here to let other people know that you've been misleading and unethical through this whole transaction. I felt the need to inform and from that end, i've done my part. Everyone can arrive at their own conclusions from there.
Feel free to go start your own post about how good an individual you are and your 20,000 posts and large ticket items. Just don't repost these rims for what they aren't.
Btw rims are pending sale for $1300 locally... so they wont be making their way back to the forum.To each his own but i'm not interested in buying cracked rims. The integrity of the wheel is compromised and the likelyhood of failure is increased. Key word here is increased.
I'm not saying that you can't drive on a cracked rim but you are mending with different compound that what the wheels were made from. Had I known:
a) i wouldn't have bought them
b) certaintly wouldn't have paid what we agreed upon
I'm not saying that you can't drive on a cracked rim but you are mending with different compound that what the wheels were made from. Had I known:
a) i wouldn't have bought them
b) certaintly wouldn't have paid what we agreed upon
I guess your a virgin to buying things online, and your feelings are hurt... understandable you want to vent. You have your story, I am have mine, and somewhere in the middle is the truth... anyways im done with beating this dead horse thread, you got money back.
Btw you can buy replicas from ebay for cheapppp
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wouldnt rock my W210AMG on cracked wheels let alone anything new AMG or any ride for that matter . Funk you lucky you got your money back , But I caN understand where he comin from too .. You got package , even sent email approving of them , then to come back and be like yo 3/4 wheels have cracks in them . Personally would of told you becool because I would of stated AS-IS no refunds but consider yourself lucky and maybe look into buying new rims .
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How did he mislead the seller, I personally witnessed these rims before they were sent, there was not a single crack.
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Why dont you go post about cars you have "driven" but have them under your name posing as if you own them..
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ns-3x-mls.html
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How about this? You clean it yourself. You wouldn't like it if we did it for you and charged you back. Stink is stink. We don't smell the difference.
Thanx for your compliance.
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I don't have a dog in this silly pissing match, but from an outsiders viewpoint, it does seem like you could be a bit more apologetic, tbal. Telling a buyer who got a defective product that his "feelings are hurt" and to "get over it" seems a bit over the top.
I suppose you can flame me too, but a "hey dude, I'm sorry about that..." goes a long way.
I suppose you can flame me too, but a "hey dude, I'm sorry about that..." goes a long way.
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I don't have a dog in this silly pissing match, but from an outsiders viewpoint, it does seem like you could be a bit more apologetic, tbal. Telling a buyer who got a defective product that his "feelings are hurt" and to "get over it" seems a bit over the top.
I suppose you can flame me too, but a "hey dude, I'm sorry about that..." goes a long way.
I suppose you can flame me too, but a "hey dude, I'm sorry about that..." goes a long way.
